STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[ZillertheBucko]

Of course the good ending would just be

Attack Potency: at least High 6-A, likely far higher (was called strong and almost a real fight, while he considered Orochi’s Gaia cannon nothing but a bad joke)

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Literally if you look at the panel, Orochi never “displaced” anything physically, the only thing that happened is the energy got absorbed and bent the stuff that was in its way, that’s it.

 

[ByAsura]

And he didn’t even touch the energy to begin with
Literally the only thing that happened was the energy being attracted to him and smashing stuff along the way, that’s it.
Very much does not scale to his physicals.

That makes absolutely no sense. He dragged it with the power to bend the planet through his tail. It wasn't just the energy itself existing and being attracted like a magnet.

The Boros copium is real.

 

[Cryo123]

Things like "fuhrer ugly is hotter than fubuki!" kinda shit is just overused NPC humor bruh

Okay fun police. And what if I do think Fuhrer Ugly is hotter than Fubuki? What're you gonna do about it?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

That makes absolutely no sense. He dragged it with the power to bend the planet through his tail, literally saying he'll 'pull' it. It wasn't just the energy itself existing and being attracted like a magnet.

This completely contradicts what was said to me about Orochi’s LS scaling to bending the layers….but regardless, it’s quite literally never shown that he touched it, and the panel literally only shows the energy being attracted to his tail like a magnet and nothing else.
And no, the useage of the word “pull” still applies to pulling things magnetically. Nothing there suggests his tail even went into the core at all

 

[Cryo123]

Gave him a wack ass design that wasn't nearly as good as his previous final form, caused the very controversial Gaia Cannon feat because Murata doesn't understand scale, ruined a lot of his cool moments against Saitama, removed Saitama seeming to take him somewhat seriously, removed Orochi actually dodging Saitama's punch and surviving more than one punch, and if I'm being completely honest? The former version straight up looked better in every way.

"Murata then added that it should not be a problem for Orochi to survive a few of Saitama's normal punches". So yeah, he could have been cool, but instead he sucks.

So he should have been a lot cooler than he was. On that note though, normal punches are Moon level, can we scale?

 

[ByAsura]

What was said to you, then? Because there's a reason why Orochi doesn't have Class G.

Nobody is arguing that Orochi's tail went to the core because it doesn't matter. This is like saying that Boros doesn't scale to his own energy attacks because they're non physical as well.

It certainly doesn't imply some sort of separate existence of power for his tail.

Honestly, this is just such non-evidence Boros cope that I'm not even going to entertain it by responding. Make a CRT if you're this passionate.

 

[Emerald]

How are the normal punches moon level?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

What was said to you, then? Because there's a reason why Orochi doesn't have Class G.

Nobody is arguing that Orochi's tail went to the core because it doesn't matter. This is like saying that Boros doesn't scale to his own attacks because they're non physical.

It certainly doesn't imply some sort of separate existence of power for his tail.

Honestly, this is just such non-evidence Boros cope that I'm not even going to entertain it. Make a CRT if you're this passionate.

I was thinking that we could just have a reasonable normal discussion about this rather than calling it dumb Boros cope every 2 seconds, but maybe that’s too much to ask from this place.

Regardless, if you’re saying that orochi physically pulled out the energy with his tail, stretching it to lengths that he has never been shown to be able to, in a panel that very clearly does not show his tail pulling it physically, then I’m wondering where your proof for that is.

 

[ByAsura]

ENW was a serious punch.

Maybe it's stomping Garou after he wrecked part of the Earth.

 

[Cyber_VERGIL]

nah you're being real goofy right now. you act as if you're a licensed therapist who actually knows how to read people and understand their thoughts and behavior. who tf you think you are telling me how I think and feel lmao. get off your pedestal and sit down Mr. arrogant. You're on an anime thread probably in your parents basement with no degree in psychology, so calm down. I didn't condemn your cringy jokes because I want to be a "serious guy", whatever tf that means. The reason is simple. My ears bleed whenever I hear shitty lowbrow reddit jokes. Jokes that are spammed and screeched 500 times a day, such as King jokes and mosquito jokes. I like being non-serious, but that doesn't mean I have to like your cringy jokes. Yet I tried to be nice and call truce, but you replied like a total butthurt child "i dOnT cArE."

Sorry, but....

 

[Emerald]

Wouldn’t make sense considering that Saitama thought Monster Garou was more like a monster king then Orochi

 

[ByAsura]

Regardless, if you’re saying that orochi physically pulled out the energy with his tail, stretching it to lengths that he has never been shown to be able to, in a panel that very clearly does not show his tail pulling it physically, then I’m wondering where your proof for that is.

My guy, I literally just said I wasn't suggesting such a thing, and that it doesn't matter if he dragged it physically.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Evil Water thing

Probably monster Garou since water was a serious punch
honestly I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea that saitama’s normal punches against people he does intend to kill are all the same starting strength, or else it wouldn’t make sense that he makes a big deal out of characters being able to not get one punched. But the wiki’s never gonna accept that in a million years.

 

[Cryo123]

How are the normal punches moon level?

They hurt but didn't annihilate Moon-level Garou.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

My guy, I literally just said I wasn't suggesting such a thing, and that it doesn't matter if he dragged it physically.

So what are you talking about? The earthquake feat?

 

[Cyber_VERGIL]

@DbzDB2 Fuhrer Ugly is hotter than Fubuki, my boy

 

[ByAsura]

So what are you talking about? The earthquake feat?

No. I'm saying the core feat shouldn't just be regulated to made-up tail bullshit just because he didn't do it with a punch, extent his tail directly there, or something along those physical lines.

Anyway, I don't see the need to respond anymore.

 

[Dragonite007]

Of course the good ending would just be

Attack Potency: at least 10-C (Dies to air)

Fixed

 

[ZillertheBucko]

No. I'm saying the core feat shouldn't just be regulated to made-up tail bullshit just because he didn't do it with a punch, extent his tail directly there, or something along those physical lines.

I was just asking a question. If the basis for the AP wasn’t orochi physically affecting the earth’s layers, then where does it come from?

 

[ByAsura]

It is the basis.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Orochi: at most 10-C (dies to Saitama’s bath water)

fixed

 

[Cryo123]

Probably monster Garou since water was a serious punch
honestly I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea that saitama’s normal punches against people he does intend to kill are all the same starting strength, or else it wouldn’t make sense that he makes a big deal out of characters being able to not get one punched. But the wiki’s never gonna accept that in a million years.

Saitama has three punches with confirmed/consistent strength.

The test punch: He uses this first against all monsters he encounters. Severely injures characters low in High-6A. It's confirmed to be a consistent measuring stick in databooks.

Normal Punches: Almost always used in his combo attack, able to consistently tear through High-6A characters and severely damage 5C characters.

Serious Punch: His max power, scales to 4A.

If it's not a named attack, or his first punch against a monster he plans to kill, then there is no scaling, but if a monster survives the first punch, or consecutive normal punches, or a Serious Punch, we can scale them.

 

[Dragonite007]

fixed

I see no problem with this

 

[ByAsura]

It's confirmed to be a consistent measuring stick in databooks.

What page/entry exactly?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

It is the basis.

So what exactly happened? Did orochi reach down and pull it, or is he getting the AP from absorbing it? Or is it something else.
This is very confusing.

 

[Cryo123]

What page/entry exactly?

Oh god I forget, it's been a while since it was last discussed. I think it was on Boros' section saying he was the first to survive Saitama's test punch.

 

[Cyber_VERGIL]

Purely theoretical.

If in the next story arc, Genos would have about 25 indications that the peak power of his beam is 100 kilotons, and the main plot of this arc would revolve around this number and we would even be described how powerful 100 kilotons is (radius in numbers like in real life), that this is immeasurably much for almost all heroes, and there would even be calculations of how Genos can kill the enemy so as not to destroy himself, taking on only 20 tons of TNT, otherwise he will be torn apart - would it affect is this for previous levels of Genos? Or it would be related to mangaka not understanding the levels of their characters.

 

[ByAsura]

So what exactly happened? Did orochi reach down and pull it, or is he getting the AP from absorbing it? Or is it something else.
This is very confusing.

Orochi didn't absorb the energy at that point. What he scales to is pulling the energy from the surface with enough force to distort the Earth. Reaching down or physically interacting has nothing to do with it.

 

[ByAsura]

Purely theoretical.

If in the next story arc, Genos would have about 25 indications that the peak power of his beam is 100 kilotons, and the main plot of this arc would revolve around this number and we would even be described how powerful 100 kilotons is (radius in numbers like in real life), that this is immeasurably much for almost all heroes, and there would even be calculations of how Genos can kill the enemy so as not to destroy himself, taking on only 20 tons of TNT, otherwise he will be torn apart - would it affect is this for previous levels of Genos? Or it would be related to mangaka not understanding the levels of their characters.

Probably the latter. With franchises like the Arrowverse and series like Kongō Banchō, we prefer feats far more than statements.

For example, if we considered Genos high-tier and B-Class low-tier, then even mid-tiers would have feats well in excess of 20 tons.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Just use the databook statement that says Boros is "the strongest in the universe" (top left corner) to scale him above Orochi and Tatsumaki. End of discussion

 

[Cyber_VERGIL]

Probably the latter. With franchises like the Arrowverse and series like Kongō Banchō, we prefer feats far more than statements.

For example, if we considered Genos high-tier and B-Class low-tier, then even mid-tiers would have feats well in excess of 20 tons.

Well, let's think. As far as I know, the main level of Genos comes from the top of the mountain and the beams of psykorocha.

If we imagine that there was no evaporation of the mountain, and the cracks against the background of the Psykoroch explosion are smaller than the others shown, then this would probably fit his description of the level. Well, except that he tanks 20 tons of TNT.

 

[Cyber_VERGIL]

Just use the databook statement that says Boros is "the strongest in the universe" (top left corner) to scale him above Orochi and Tatsumaki. End of discussion

Another W for Boros

 

[Cryo123]

Just use the databook statement that says Boros is "the strongest in the universe" (top left corner) to scale him above Orochi and Tatsumaki. End of discussion

That's been there the whole time and we just haven't used it lol.

Edit: It at least scales him above Tatsumaki, who we know to exist at the time.

 

[ByAsura]

Well, let's think. As far as I know, the main level of Genos comes from the top of the mountain and the beams of psykorocha.

If we imagine that there was no evaporation of the mountain, and the cracks against the background of the Psykoroch explosion are smaller than the others shown, then this would probably fit his description of the level. Well, except that he tanks 20 tons of TNT.

Even without evaporation, all ends are >>20 tons of TNT. But I get your point.

Anyway, that's a given. You're basically asking what if Genos had no feats above 20 tons? In that case, we would accept the statement as long as it's not an outlier.

 

[ByAsura]

That's been there the whole time and we just haven't used it lol.

Edit: It at least scales him above Tatsumaki, who we know to exist at the time.

Unless he scales above Saitama, I don't think we should treat the quote as literal.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Orochi didn't absorb the energy at that point. What he scales to is pulling the energy from the surface with enough force to distort the Earth. Reaching down or physically interacting has nothing to do with it.

Okay so you’re saying he didn’t physically pull it, but you’re also saying he didn’t just magnetically pull it
do you see why I’m confused now?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Just use the databook statement that says Boros is "the strongest in the universe" (top left corner) to scale him above Orochi and Tatsumaki. End of discussion

People would just say “well he wasn’t stronger than saitama therefore the statement is completely unusable” tbh
but the author intent is incredibly clear to me

 

[ByAsura]

What I said is that he pulled it in a way that'd scale to AP.

For example, that he just activated some sort of magnet and attracted it.

If he generated a magnetic field (again, this is only an example) with enough strength to pull it himself, that's still AP and (I'm pretty sure, anyway) would still scale to durability.

People would just say “well he wasn’t stronger than saitama therefore the statement is completely unusable” tbh
but the author intent is incredibly clear to me

Given that half of the statements about the association are absolute hyperbole bullshit, I'd say the exact opposite is true when it comes to authorial intent.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

My guy, what I said is that he pulled it in a way that'd scale to AP.

For example, that he just activated some sort of magnet and attracted it.

If he generated a magnetic field (again, this is only an example) with enough strength to pull it himself, that's still AP and (I'm pretty sure, anyway) would still scale to durability.

I am 99.9999% sure creating a magnetic field type thing wouldn’t scale to your physicals in any way without additional evidence.
But if he pulled it in a way that scaled to his AP, then I’d suggest you say what way that was exactly, because so far I feel like we just did a “did he touch it?” “No” “did he attract it?” “No he touched it” “so he touched it” “no”