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One Piece: Canonicity of 3D2Y there

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Just because it fits perfectly into the story doesn't inherently mean it's canon.

Obviously there's a 2 year gap so there's so much that can be done in those two years story wise, so it was in their best bet to make a movie out of it. I haven't seen anything convincing enough to warrant it as canon imo

I disagree FRA
 
There is no way...🙉


Edit: the statements kinda bluntly proves it to be canon...

Damage wants feats > instead of statements for personal reasons or something

Saying there's no proof of it being canon is completely bs
 
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Nierre said:
Just because it fits perfectly into the story doesn't inherently mean it's canon.

Obviously there's a 2 year gap so there's so much that can be done in those two years story wise, so it was in their best bet to make a movie out of it. I haven't seen anything convincing enough to warrant it as canon imo

I disagree FRA
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What.
 
I know but, it just didn't sit right with me.
Personally I still think it's canon to the anime and manga given the evidence provided.
 
Where's the evidence? All the translations monkey sent say exactly what I'm saying.

"There's a gap between PTS and TS, so let's make an original story about it."

Just because it says manga and anime literally doesn't mean anything, because the manga also has a 2 year gap that the movie would satisfy as literal filler. Oda gave them the okay to make the movie, he didn't say it was canon. Literally nothing here says that it's canon nor implied.
 
Okay this all makes sense and I can see it being canon but when I think about it there are a few things that possibly contradict it.
Like Hancock saying men haven't invaded their island so badly in years.
Though that can be chalked up to hyperbole, or an inconsistency.
Also us hearing nothing about World in the canon story, with him not even being mentioned in the brawl that Blackbeard made the Level 6 Inmates participate in.
How ever I do not think these are sufficient counters to the proposal at hand, so I won't acknowledge them.
 
Damage3245 said:
It says that the events are "shrouded in darkness in both manga and anime".

That doesn't mean the story they've made reveals what happened in the manga. It should only be considered viable for the anime at best.
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It's shrouded in darkness in them
but it specifically says it's being unveiled IN THE ANIME, not that it's an anime exclusive story. The events relate to both manga and anime while only being revealed in anime.
 
Literally the only thing stopping it from being canon is if Oda himself makes a 3D2Y story that contradicts it.
A recent film red related interview made it clear that movies/specials are just as important to him as the manga itself.

If he approved of it, he approved knowing:
It's meant for the timeskip gap specifically for Luffy
It connects the pre and post timeskip
It's very specifically meant for "3D2Y" chapter in the manga (which caps off Luffy's training)
It's meant to reveal whatever was "shrouded in darkness in BOTH MANGA AND ANIME" as proven above

And for the record: "Teramoto: The TV series is now airing as the New World Arc, two years after the Summit Battle. One of the important episodes that connects the two years after and the two years before is being unveiled for the first time in both the original story and the TV series."
It does say it's connected to the ORIGINAL STORY /AND/ the TV series. Don't act like you're blind to that.

That's more than enough to support canon. It doesn't contradict the timeline or events one bit.
 
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TheMonkeMan said:
Like Hancock saying men haven't invaded their island so badly in years.
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Double checked. He didn't invade Amazon Lily, he stopped at the island next to it where Luffy was and got Sandersonia/Marigold there while they were bringing food for Luffy. I don't think he even touched Amazon Lily directly.
Plus if he did it wouldn't be an "invasion" since it's one dude kidnapping and running, otherwise Luffy stumbling upon amazon Lily would count as an invasion too.
 
SnookB said:
Literally the only thing stopping it from being canon is if Oda himself makes a 3D2Y story that contradicts it.
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Uh no. Fillers work well if it doesn't contradict anything in the story and fits perfectly into the story. What you're saying doesn't define filler or canon.
SnookB said:
A recent film red related interview made it clear that movies/specials are just as important to him as the manga itself.
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This also means nothing in context unless ur trying to say that all the movies, including the PTS ones, are canon.
SnookB said:
If he approved of it, he approved knowing:
It's meant for the timeskip gap specifically for Luffy
It connects the pre and post timeskip
It's very specifically meant for "3D2Y" chapter in the manga (which caps off Luffy's training)
It's meant to reveal whatever was "shrouded in darkness in BOTH MANGA AND ANIME" as proven above
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This is your headcanon. If he approved it that means he's ok with that being the plot of the movie, not that it's canon with the manga lol. That's literally all that means.

It's specifically meant to fit into the gap that the anime and manga left open, but that still does not prove its canonicity.
SnookB said:
And for the record: "Teramoto: The TV series is now airing as the New World Arc, two years after the Summit Battle. One of the important episodes that connects the two years after and the two years before is being unveiled for the first time in both the original story and the TV series."
It does say it's connected to the ORIGINAL STORY /AND/ the TV series. Don't act like you're blind to that.
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I'm not acting blind to that at all. It's a completely original story, something that not only the anime doesn't cover, but even the manga. That's literally all that's being said. That doesn't prove that it's canon, all he's saying is that it's original.
 
I agree with Nierre. Oda giving the approval for them to go ahead with making it =/= Oda giving the approval for it to be canon to the manga.
 
I broke down your argument and responded to all of them. lmao.. so much for acting blind right?
 
Well I'm not gonna bother arguing any further, I've already said my piece and I doubt we're ever gonna convince each other - just get more staff to voice their own thoughts.
 
Nierre said:
Uh no. Fillers work well if it doesn't contradict anything in the story and fits perfectly into the story. What you're saying doesn't define filler or canon.
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I'm not saying it though. "Teramoto: The TV series is now airing as the New World Arc, two years after the Summit Battle. One of the important episodes that connects the two years after and the two years before is being unveiled for the first time in both the original story and the TV series."
They are.
Nierre said:
This is your headcanon. If he approved it that means he's ok with that being the plot of the movie, not that it's canon with the manga lol. That's literally all that means.
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It's not headcanon it's literally on the translated interviews above. Are you ignoring them on purpose? Here ya go, I'm repeating what's all here https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-canonicity-of-3d2y-there.148587/post-5437638

Nierre said:
I'm not acting blind to that at all. It's a completely original story, something that not only the anime doesn't cover, but even the manga. That's literally all that's being said. That doesn't prove that it's canon, all he's saying is that it's original.
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Oh yeah you are. You're ignoring a whole ass interview confirming it directly links to the manga.
Damage flat out said "it doesn't say original story" right here. That's what I referenced by ignoring it
Damage3245 said:
It doesn't say it connects to the original story. It says it "connects the two years after and the two years before".
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SnookB said:
I'm not saying it though. "Teramoto: The TV series is now airing as the New World Arc, two years after the Summit Battle. One of the important episodes that connects the two years after and the two years before is being unveiled for the first time in both the original story and the TV series."
They are.

It's not headcanon it's literally on the translated interviews above. Are you ignoring them on purpose? Here ya go, I'm repeating what's all here https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-canonicity-of-3d2y-there.148587/post-5437638


Oh yeah you are. You're ignoring a whole ass interview confirming it directly links to the manga.
Damage flat out said "it doesn't say original story" right here. That's what I referenced by ignoring it
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Nierre said:
I'm not acting blind to that at all. It's a completely original story, something that not only the anime doesn't cover, but even the manga. That's literally all that's being said. That doesn't prove that it's canon, all he's saying is that it's original.
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It literally says they didn't want to make an original story
Teramoto: I wanted to make it a special story that was not just an "original story," but also a good "episode of" story.
We thought about it a lot, but after meetings led by the producers and scriptwriters, we realized that Luffy's two-year training period had never been filmed before.
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Teramoto: I wanted to make it special, not just an "original story" with some aspects that make it a good "episode of".
We thought about it a lot, but after meetings led by the producers and scriptwriters, we realized that Luffy's two-year training period had never been filmed before.
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SnookB said:
Damage flat out said "it doesn't say original story" right here. That's what I referenced by ignoring it
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That's not what I said. I said this:

"It doesn't say it connects to the original story. It says it "connects the two years after and the two years before".

I was correcting a misquote.
 
Damage3245 said:
That's not what I said. I said this:

"It doesn't say it connects to the original story. It says it "connects the two years after and the two years before".

I was correcting a misquote.
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It says an unknown story's being unveiled in both the original story and the tv series. That's as in your face as it can get with it relating to the original story itself
 
SnookB said:
It says an unknown story's being unveiled in both the original story and the tv series. That's as in your face as it can get with it relating to the original story itself
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For me personally, that's not good enough confirmation. I can't just pretend that it's good for me.
 
SnookB said:
For you, personally. Yes.
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That's why I recommend contacting additional staff if you want more input on it.


Just because the anime creators decided to "unveil something not covered in the original story" is not proof to me that it did indeed happen in the original story. Oda didn't write it and there's no evidence he was involved in the creative process at all besides designing the anime-original character and giving permission for them to make the special.

This might be fine for most people on here, but it's not enough for me. And if people are going to try and make a TV special the basis for all Post-Timeskip scaling in the verse then I think it would be highly disappointing.
 
Damage3245 said:
but I would not use this as the basis to judge the manga's scaling.
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Damage3245 said:
And if people are going to try and make a TV special the basis for all Post-Timeskip scaling in the verse then I think it would be highly disappointing.
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This quite literally doesn't affect the scaling at all except giving Luffy a "stronger" key

Every time we have a canonicity argument, it ends up being more focused on scaling repercussions instead of canonicity.

"How bad is it gonna affect scaling? Is it gonna bring outlier calcs or anime timeframes that would make feats look too good?"

And then yall base how much you care about canonicity with that.

Deadass I've heard people in this thread say "Idk about it being canon if it's making people scale this high".

Like come the **** on, stop worrying about scaling in a canonicity thread
 
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