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No she only thought she did. They're clearly shown to be able to tank and deflect these blasts on their own, she was just amping them.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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I’m well aware of what it is, I’m the one that put her profile like that smh
I‘m using the term base because it’s an easier way to differentiate it from her peak power.
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The blasts vary in power
Charged up ones are shown to do vastly higher amounts of destruction. Bang was even surprised that he was undamaged after rover’s attack, so we basically have confirmation from both fubuki and bang himself.
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Honestly it’s the weirdest way to do things
in situations where a character is just barely able to defend from an attack and sustains injury from doing so, they just downscale. Anyways, as far as statements go it would apply to her full power, which the peak “key” is exactly, it’s just her full power. Otherwise it’s like “yeah he’s stronger than me, but only at 10% of my power” which is….a statement that usually isn’t intended to be made
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Undamaged, not dead.
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Which means the blast would damage him. What exactly are you trying to say?
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Oh by the way another piece of scaling that probably is less controversial
Pre Molt Elder centipede required a combo attack from bang and bomb to defeat, and was even briefly still able to hit them back until the shockwaves spread through, so it’s probably safe to say pre molt centipede is roughly relative to bang and bomb’s physicals individually. Therefore, metal knight’s missiles also downscale from elder centipede (currently accepted scaling iirc) so metal knight’s missiles would be high 7-A+
Pre Molt Elder centipede required a combo attack from bang and bomb to defeat, and was even briefly still able to hit them back until the shockwaves spread through, so it’s probably safe to say pre molt centipede is roughly relative to bang and bomb’s physicals individually. Therefore, metal knight’s missiles also downscale from elder centipede (currently accepted scaling iirc) so metal knight’s missiles would be high 7-A+
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Well I guess my question is does AB increase durability as well?
If not, all she's done is reduce the attack damage of a small city level enemy instead of a 6C one.
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Except that’s not really what we have with Sonic. Fubuki never directly said “Sonic is stronger than me”, she said that he was dangerous and that she didn’t think Saitama could beat him, even though he had overpowered her. The problem is that, against Saitama, she was clearly not using the same amount of power that she did against Rover.
When she blocked Rover’s blast, she used so much effort that she started bleeding from the eyes and nose, but when she fought Saitama, she was visibly not using that same amount of effort.
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Well I thought of this already actually
she still says that nobody can surpass amai mask though, heavily implying that she's weaker than him. Of course this becomes untrue later on since amai mask gets his skull caved in by fuhrer ugly who proceeds to get one shot by 6-C garou.
yeah, that's because rover's AP scales above her own, she defended from the blast completely but sustains injury from it taking too much damage
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either way, sonic and genos aren't stated to be stronger than her, and yeah she definitely wasn't going all out (she pulled out a ******* box cutter after smashing the whole ****** street into him failed) so idk
but do-s still scales from amai mask, and a non peak fubuki handled her. So amai mask is only low 7-B from scaling above pre-raid fubuki's peak, while do-s shows that the difference between peak and non peak fubuki is just a single downscale anyways
but do-s still scales from amai mask, and a non peak fubuki handled her. So amai mask is only low 7-B from scaling above pre-raid fubuki's peak, while do-s shows that the difference between peak and non peak fubuki is just a single downscale anyways
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from the looks of it, here are the changes that I'm aiming to get
bomb and base bang around high 7-A+ to 6-C
monster raid arc fubuki in high 7-A+ to 6-C ranges, darkshine being at that range as well
Probably atomic samurai in that range too, along with half monster garou being within high 7-A+
metal knight's missiles scaling to that too.
fuhrer ugly absolutely ***** up a lot of scaling for lesser characters so it wouldn't be a very large set of characters like I hoped it would be. Most importantly, watchdog man would be left out which is outrageous.
but hey, when he stomps the ninja village leader using 0% of his power things will turn out okay
bomb and base bang around high 7-A+ to 6-C
monster raid arc fubuki in high 7-A+ to 6-C ranges, darkshine being at that range as well
Probably atomic samurai in that range too, along with half monster garou being within high 7-A+
metal knight's missiles scaling to that too.
fuhrer ugly absolutely ***** up a lot of scaling for lesser characters so it wouldn't be a very large set of characters like I hoped it would be. Most importantly, watchdog man would be left out which is outrageous.
but hey, when he stomps the ninja village leader using 0% of his power things will turn out okay
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How is it possible for AB Bang to be 6-C, while base Bang being 6-C at the same time despite him downscaling?
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MK's missiles could only cause EC pain. I don't think that's grounds for scaling, at least as of right now on the wiki.
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I meant at most 6-C not directly 6-C, I just didn't feel like typing it
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Powerscaling page doesn't really make any stance on it, so there's no official standard regarding it
but the way I see it is that unless it's shown otherwise, characters that strike with 6-C force shouldn't really be causing extreme amounts of pain every time they strike, so at the very least there should be some sort of scaling to centipede for metal knight, even if it's yet another downscale (downscale is my favorite word) since it didn't cause physical damage, but it should at least be reasonably comparable to his durability
plus metal knight with prep time was stated to be capable of handling elder centipede as well, so his prep key would at least be scaling above it
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https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/917231035614363678/917267166024323072/074.png
and yes, he can hurt multiple at most 6-C characters as well, so it's not like this is a durability only scenario for him
and yes, he can hurt multiple at most 6-C characters as well, so it's not like this is a durability only scenario for him
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I just realized... seeing as how saitama's endurance is seemingly not dependent on biological functions, and more about his willpower, is it fair to assume that saitama has "infinite endurance"?
The only limit being saitama's desire wether to continue or not.
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is the new chapter released?
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Bump
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January 12th
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All this talk about saitama’s endurance, but we’re all forgetting that metal bat is gonna be the one who breaks his limiter next
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No. He is Mid
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He literally is the definition of a limit breaker
he gets stronger endlessly as long as he keeps on fighting and just chooses not to die
He’s definitely the next best thing after in-training saitama and Garou
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You're right, but thats a problem most people have lol. Murata did him no favours
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By the way is everybody cool with at most 6-C/ At least high 7-A+ metal knight drone?
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I'm just gonna say this- Darkshine and peak Fubuki being in the same tier is ridiculous, Fubuki's best feat was barely surviving Rover's Blasts, which Darkshine's casual AP upscales from. There's at least 2 one-shot levels between them.
Alternatively she's very much on par with DO-S, who got crushed by Amai Mask, who would have died to Fuhrer Ugly's first serious punch if he didn't have regeneration, whose much stronger vomited form was on par with Darkshine.
So...
Peak Fubuki << (almost exhausts) one of Rover's Blasts > (really hurts) Garou that fought Rover << (far stronger) Garou that fought Orochi =~ sleeping Garou < (knocks conscious) Darkshine's casual AP << (Breaks ribs) Darkshiine's tackle << (strong enough to put down a rapidly improving Garou) Darkshine's full power.
And...
Peak Fubuki =~ DO-S << Amai Mask ("kills" one-handed) << Base Fuhrer ("kills" with one punch) << Vomited Fuhrer
Or... Peak Fubuki <<<<<<<<< Full power Darkshine.
Fubuki can at best be argued to be a low dragon, but it'd make more sense for her to fight in high demon with the likes of DO-S, Royal Ripper, etc.
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Das the thing, fighting makes him stronger. The longer he fights, the more damage he receives, the more durable and stronger he becomes, the less willpower he actually needs to continue. Not only that, he gets healed at the end of every fight. And as we saw with his battle against sage centipede, there seems to be a limit to his willpower because he proved himself supseptible to tiring out. Fighting spirit can only support him so far.
We could even say his fighting spirit is just an ability that lets him reach his potential faster and lets him shortcut the way to his limits, and what happened to him at the end was literally just him finally reaching the very limit of what he is capable of; and faced with said limit, what does he do? My boy gets exhausted and is knocked out. Some willpower.
Between the two interpretations really. Both pretty much points towards him not having a strong enough will.
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Can endurance still be considered finite if calculating the amount is basically estimated by "how much the person gives a ****"?
Usually it doesnt matter how much willpower you have if you run out of energy and so the body fails to work, but its shown saitama's willpower supersedes the needs of the body and its biological functions.
If saitama is motivated enough, could he theoretically have "infinite endurance"?
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who's gonna tell him
proof?
do-s never did anything to warrant scaling to monster raid arc fubuki
I already addressed the amai mask's scaling to raid arc fubuki being ******, so the only way to solve it is with a new key
since it's gonna be ****** regardless of if we're using low 7-B or high 7-A+ or 6-C
arbitrary far stronger upscaling without evidence. There is absolutely no way to quantify the difference between the half monster garous that fought rover, gyoro, and orochi.
fixed scaling chain
At most 6-C Bang and Bomb < Rover AP > At least high 7-A+ Fubuki
At most 6-C Rover AP > At least high 7-A+ Half Monster garou < Casual Darkshine < at most 6-C Darkshine = limit break Garou (was able to overpower darkshine but suffered intense pain from doing so)
so darkshine is already an upscale above fubuki anyways
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do-s doesn't scale to MA arc fubuki
Still using threat level scaling terminology in 2023 smh
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anyways I'm still working on a solution because I know the flaws of the scaling chain better than you do
golden sperm one shotting darkshine would make him 6-C, which would mean him scaling to platinum sperm, which is a no go
I do think that because darkshine was weakened and crying that he should probably not be considered to be on guard at all, so golden sperm shouldn't uspcale, but most peopleare stupid downplayers don't agree with that
and vomit ugly can't scale to at most 6-C since 6-C garou one shot a whole through him. Of course I would just argue that he's like melzalgald where his AP>Durability since the acid is constantly damaging him and he is just constantly using his regen to counteract it, but again I have no clue if people would agree to that, even if it most likely is the truth.
Either way, fubuki does scale no matter how you put it since she has at least high 7-A+ scaling directly from rover
golden sperm one shotting darkshine would make him 6-C, which would mean him scaling to platinum sperm, which is a no go
I do think that because darkshine was weakened and crying that he should probably not be considered to be on guard at all, so golden sperm shouldn't uspcale, but most people
and vomit ugly can't scale to at most 6-C since 6-C garou one shot a whole through him. Of course I would just argue that he's like melzalgald where his AP>Durability since the acid is constantly damaging him and he is just constantly using his regen to counteract it, but again I have no clue if people would agree to that, even if it most likely is the truth.
Either way, fubuki does scale no matter how you put it since she has at least high 7-A+ scaling directly from rover
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Garou tanked Rover's blast but broke nearly all of his bones from Darkshine's attack.
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Gotta also consider that golden sperm punched VFU a couple O' times and none of the hits were lethal enough to kill (might be misremebering it might just be one punch but the point still stands). Then we see garou one hit VFU, with the attack strong enough to tear VFU a new bigger asshole, and we get platinum over here exchanging an uncountable amount of blows with garou.
Theres quite the gap
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Same tier =/= comparable in power.
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I mean it definitely would be weird if those punches at ugly were intended to kill anyways
he also caves in his face with the very first punch, so it can also probably be attributed in part to his regen abilities
generally vomit ugly seems like a glass cannon
I am sorting it out still
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anyways
ugly was literally melting and destroying his own body, while having to regenerate to stay intact
is it safe to say that his durability probably decreased in this form?
ugly was literally melting and destroying his own body, while having to regenerate to stay intact
is it safe to say that his durability probably decreased in this form?
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Thing is he's also getting more powerful, increasing in strength and durability, the uglier he gets so I think it balances it out.
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I mean VFU did attack golden sperm with the intent to kill? Why not respond in kind?
Compare the damage with garou's
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he says "please refrain from spewing your filth on me" and was just punching him to get back at him for that and make him stop
wouldn't make sense for him to kill him while they were still battling the S class.
the digestive acid gets more powerful, which means his durability is actually decreasing over time as he needs more and more stuff to eat
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