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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Okay, and how was Raven/The Unkindness eventually stopped then?
 
Antvasima said:
Okay, and how was Raven/The Unkindness eventually stopped then?
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Black Adam was transported to the past to prevent it but the whole thing went nowhere. Future State was just random things happening in some part of the multiverse with no real impact. The whole thing is probably abandoned since its been nearly two years.
 
Okay. That is weird, but not unexpected given that DC Comics' editorial department and writers have been far busier systematically thoroughly demonising any critics than actually doing their jobs of keeping their stories reasonably coherent in recent years.

I suppose that The Unkindness may simply have been overwritten during the recent multiversal reboots?
 
Antvasima said:
I suppose that The Unkindness may simply have been overwritten during the recent multiversal reboots?
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I don't think she has been mentioned outside of a few Future State comics. Either they will bring her back down the line like Darkness or just forgot about it.

Antvasima said:
Okay. That is weird, but not unexpected given that DC Comics' editorial department and writers have been far busier systematically thoroughly demonising any critics than actually doing their jobs of keeping their stories reasonably coherent in recent years.
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Eh. I will search for the interviews but it was stated that these are all just "possible" futures. Basically, them just throwing darts and then using what sticks. Jon, New Wonder Woman, etc stuck. The rest I believe were just quietly shelved.
 
I saw this topic and I wanna ask, between Darkseid and TDK who's more Evil?
I know Darkseid is like the Embodiment of evil and all that but TDK kinda seems more evil to me.
 
Can anyone explain why every new god true form is rated as low 1C ?
Each of the different mythologies in sphere of gods have different cosmology.
 
AndrewBennet said:
Can anyone explain why every new god true form is rated as low 1C ?
Each of the different mythologies in sphere of gods have different cosmology.
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there are quite a lot of explanations that make New Gods get Low 1-C so it's simple

For Darkseid why is it low 1-C because fall Avatar Darkseid can make Orrery Of Worlds Vibrate and also Orrery Of Worlds There is Bleed Which has a 5D Structure according to what's in the Multiversity comic

For Orion why is it Low 1-C because Orion absorbs the power of Anti-Life and fights Darkseid with full Power

For Highfather why is it Low 1-C because Equal with Darkseid
 
Vondoom said:
I saw this topic and I wanna ask, between Darkseid and TDK who's more Evil?
I know Darkseid is like the Embodiment of evil and all that but TDK kinda seems more evil to me.
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Well, Darkseid wants to permanently enslave, torture, defile, degrade, corrupt, and violate everybody in existence, whereas TDK wants to kill everything and live in eternal solitude after first turnings all of reality into a twisted nightmare, so I suppose that they are both absolutely evil, but in different ways.
 
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What happened in it?
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We find out Failsafe didn’t actually kill Batman, he sent him to another universe within the multiverse with the gun he found in the fortress, rest is just Batman waking up and instantly realizing he’s on a different earth, he checks the place out, gets into a fight, etc. Tim Drake realized the reason Failsafe destroyed the gun bc it might be able to bring Batman back so now he’s doing research on it while protecting Gotham with dick
 
I might be stupid but can a superhero in both marvel and dc be in multiple super hero groups?

like you can be part of the Justice league but you can also be a part of other hero groups.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, Darkseid wants to permanently enslave, torture, defile, degrade, corruot, and violate everybody in existence, whereas TDK wants to kill everything and live in eternal solitude after first turnings all of reality into a twisted nightmare, so I suppose that they are both absolutely evil, but in different ways.
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Yeah but darkseid case seems better than TDK though to me personally, TDK is like some legit evil incarnate.
From another perspective this just shows how evil the joker can be if he had powers.
 
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
I might be stupid but can a superhero in both marvel and dc be in multiple super hero groups?

like you can be part of the Justice league but you can also be a part of other hero groups.
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Might depend on the team but generally yeah. Many Lanterns have been on the League while also being on the Green Lantern Corps, and Hulk was on the Defenders and Avengers at the same time.
 
Vondoom said:
Yeah but darkseid case seems better than TDK though to me personally, TDK is like some legit evil incarnate.
From another perspective this just shows how evil the joker can be if he had powers.
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For me is the opposite. Darkseid it's more evil, because he perverses all that is good, rendering all meaningless. All your happy moments? Don't matter. All the people with which you have formed any sort of connection? Don't matter. All the love you have felt for a special person? Don't matter. All your achievements in life? Don't matter.

Everything positive, everything that makes life worth it, he wants to turn it against every single living thing. Every memory, event, story, history, emotion, dream and hope. He corrupts it, makes you feel powerless, makes you lose yourself.

A nightmare scenario is scary, and dying is as well. But to be broken beyond any amount of recognition represents the greatest evil one can inflict to another. And that's what Darkseid wants the most.
 
You might have a point but TDK kinda did similar even taking away all their hopes, even the darkseid from the dark multiverse was also in a way a minion or something to him iirc, still i never see darkseid make the multiverse hopeless like TDK, even the godsphere wasn't out of his sight.

I just feel a dude trying to enslave, corrupt, defile everyone in reality e.t.c isn't as evil as a dude literally trying to kill everything and make reality alone be for nightmares. Plus darkseid once helped justice league fight anti monitor in pre crisis and i remember him helping against the world forger though all help he did were simply for his own gain but anyhow.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
For me is the opposite. Darkseid it's more evil, because he perverses all that is good, rendering all meaningless. All your happy moments? Don't matter. All the people with which you have formed any sort of connection? Don't matter. All the love you have felt for a special person? Don't matter. All your achievements in life? Don't matter.

Everything positive, everything that makes life worth it, he wants to turn it against every single living thing. Every memory, event, story, history, emotion, dream and hope. He corrupts it, makes you feel powerless, makes you lose yourself.

A nightmare scenario is scary, and dying is as well. But to be broken beyond any amount of recognition represents the greatest evil one can inflict to another. And that's what Darkseid wants the most.
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Agreed. Darkseid basically represents all of the most extreme tendencies of the worst tyrants in real world human history combined.
 
Vondoom said:
You might have a point but TDK kinda did similar even taking away all their hopes, even the darkseid from the dark multiverse was also in a way a minion or something to him iirc, still i never see darkseid make the multiverse hopeless like TDK, even the godsphere wasn't out of his sight.

I just feel a dude trying to enslave, corrupt, defile everyone in reality e.t.c isn't as evil as a dude literally trying to kill everything and make reality alone be for nightmares. Plus darkseid once helped justice league fight anti monitor in pre crisis and i remember him helping against the world forger though all help he did were simply for his own gain but anyhow.
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Killing others is not nearly as bad as what Darkseid is doing to them though.
 
Vondoom said:
Yeah but darkseid case seems better than TDK though to me personally, TDK is like some legit evil incarnate.
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Darkseid has defiled the world in a way that The Darkest was never able to. I am not sure how Darkseid is better in any way.
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
I might be stupid but can a superhero in both marvel and dc be in multiple super hero groups?
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They can. Wonderwoman in JLD is a recent and popular example. Superman formed the Authority too.
 
Immortalgodd said:
Darkseid has defiled the world in a way that The Darkest was never able to. I am not sure how Darkseid is better in any way.
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Antvasima said:
Killing others is not nearly as bad as what Darkseid is doing to them though.
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I've always thought killing is the most evil thing to do especially when you plan to do so to entire realities.
Most evil in DC comics my opinion(based on what they've done or plan to do):
-Darkseid
-TDK
-Mandrakk
-Perpetua/Anti monitor

I'm inclined to add to the joker or Eobard thawne to the list
 
Vondoom said:
I've always thought killing is the most evil thing to do especially when you plan to do so to entire realities.
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I mean Darkseid does killings too but he is also running a torture camp. I mean just look at Final Crisis itself. The worlds are being smashed but evil is spreading too. He is stripping people of their freedom and turning them into an empty husk of evil and depravity. The others are evil for their goal of annihilation whereas Darkseid is evil because in his world there is no hope or happiness. It also comes down to readers' perception and the portrayal of characters I guess. For example, its really hard to pin down the likes of Mandrakk or Perpetua because they aren't that different than any other villains aside from sense of scale.
 
Yes, I consider Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un, who are some of the closest real world counterparts to Darkseid that I can think of, given that they run or have run a massive number of absolutely nightmarish enslavement and genocide gulags, as far worse than generic mentally ill nihilists who want everything to end, to use the closest real world inspirations for each concept.

However, it should be noted that Darkseid is the philosophy of each of the named real world embodiments of absolute evil taken to its ultimate extreme, so he is technically conceptually even worse than all of them, although he is obviously still just a fictional character.
 
Not that I disagree, but aren't Kyle and Sodam Yat's ratings for as Ion, and Hal's are for his own special GL ring while becoming Raw Willpower?
 
Kyle rayner as ion uses a green lantern ring, no?
Sodam yat is comparable to superboy prime so that's how he got his 2-C possibly 2-A and he uses a lantern ring
Hal Jordan is comparable to Pre-crisis superman so 2-C possibly 2-A and second key via Raw willpower was also with the ring

Hal Jordan ring was made by his willpower dosen't still refute the fact it's still a lantern ring and these guys feats come from lantern rings also.
 
Vondoom said:
Kyle rayner as ion uses a green lantern ring, no?
Sodam yat is comparable to superboy prime so that's how he got his 2-C possibly 2-A and he uses a lantern ring.
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The first time he was Ion I don't think he had a ring, the second time I'm not sure. Either way though it's the GL Ring's power amplified by Ion's power, not really something that should be attributed to the GL rings.
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Hal Jordan is comparable to Pre-crisis superman so 2-C possibly 2-A and second key via Raw willpower was also with the ring
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This is totally a fair point, we already do have standard GL users in this range for Pre Crisis, so it definitely should be mentioned on the page.
Vondoom said:
Hal Jordan ring was made by his willpower dosen't still refute the fact it's still a lantern ring and these guys feats come from lantern rings also.
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The fact that it's a special ring makes it hard to let other rings scale off it. Kyle could barely even handle using Hal's ring.
Hal also doesn't need his ring to become Raw Willpower, he was already doing that when he only had Krona's Gauntlet, so that's also not contingent off the ring.
 
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