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the ETSO point was dropped because the argument was Isshiki should scale beyond it via his statement were as my argument is the Kaguya we see in the War inherently scales to it as she was always using the Shinobi Chakra from the beginning so the Momo and Kin statements would scale off of it as its the only Kaguya Sasuke knows first hand, I'd like to understand why you want me to drop it when its relevant to the discussion?
I explicitly state in OP I’m not proposing Momo and Kin > ETSO, this thread isn’t for that, please don’t derail.
 
Not related to this thread and
It is actually as Kaguya is part of this scaling chain

"Please refrain from attempting to upgrade the regular statistics of Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. It was decided that Kaguya should not be granted durability or attack potency comparable to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball for her casual attacks, as the only scene wherein this rating would be warranted is strife with Plot-Induced Stupidity. Insistence of this will be unappreciated."

Site rules aren't a crutch to hide your arguments behind especially when I'm bringing scans that from the source material that contradict them
 
It is actually as Kaguya is part of this scaling chain

"Please refrain from attempting to upgrade the regular statistics of Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. It was decided that Kaguya should not be granted durability or attack potency comparable to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball for her casual attacks, as the only scene wherein this rating would be warranted is strife with Plot-Induced Stupidity. Insistence of this will be unappreciated."

Site rules aren't a crutch to hide your arguments behind especially when I'm bringing scans that from the source material that contradict them
My brother in Christ please
I explicitly state in OP I’m not proposing Momo and Kin > ETSO, this thread isn’t for that, please don’t derail.
 
It is actually as Kaguya is part of this scaling chain

"Please refrain from attempting to upgrade the regular statistics of Kaguya and Momoshiki to Star level or above. It was decided that Kaguya should not be granted durability or attack potency comparable to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball for her casual attacks, as the only scene wherein this rating would be warranted is strife with Plot-Induced Stupidity. Insistence of this will be unappreciated."

Site rules aren't a crutch to hide your arguments behind especially when I'm bringing scans that from the source material that contradict them
The OP literally said the thread has nothing to do with ETSB

You've been trying to have Kaguya scale to ETSB for years, literally, you're arguably the reason the rule exists in the first place.

Either drop it or take it to another thread.
 
How is this inciting toxicity? Kages aside for now, sakura and shin obviously shouldn't scale.

Juubi obito can tank a juubi bomb, SM naruto was capable of harming juubi obito with a rasengan, why doesn't the rasengan scale?
He’s talking about you claiming bias
 
i dont see why a singular juubito anti feat matters, when later he gets hit with stronger senjustu attacks and they dont harm him
 
Literally nothing in the scan you provided says he has almost no chakra.
He had an unprecedent/extraordinarily/unparalleled low amount of Chakra compared to any of his other fights, that his Rinnengan lost their Tomoe and he was incapable of accessing his Mangekyo.

Does this description satisfy you?
 
The OP literally said the thread has nothing to do with ETSB
Cool but it is to do with Kaguya who I'm proposing does scale to it

"You've been trying to have Kaguya scale to ETSB for years"

Because she does

"literally, you're arguably the reason the rule exists in the first place."

The rule exists to limit scaling avenues for the verse without having to actually address the claims so do you have an argument on why she shouldn't scale when she was already using that power or no? All I want to hear idc if this argument is used to upgrade them or not I want to see the reasoning of the site on why she shouldn't be

"Either drop it or take it to another thread."

Only for the thread to get locked instantly cute I'd rather keep my arguments where they can be seen and not ran away from
 
I went to review Sasuke Shinden and noticed a possible argument to support the fact that Sasuke doesn't need to and shouldn't have attacked Shin with all his might. Sasuke is not a killer anymore, he was attacked by a random and when he attacked him, he didn't use force to kill, but to contain the random, he wouldn't attack to kill. And in this arc he showed himself to be fully capable of greatly reducing his strength to fight, even if the opponent wants to kill him.
 
Cool but it is to do with Kaguya who I'm proposing does scale to it

"You've been trying to have Kaguya scale to ETSB for years"

Because she does

"literally, you're arguably the reason the rule exists in the first place."

The rule exists to limit scaling avenues for the verse without having to actually address the claims so do you have an argument on why she shouldn't scale when she was already using that power or no? All I want to hear idc if this argument is used to upgrade them or not I want to see the reasoning of the site on why she shouldn't be

"Either drop it or take it to another thread."

Only for the thread to get locked instantly cute I'd rather keep my arguments where they can be seen and not ran away from
Bro please refrain from derailing my thread
 
He’s talking about you claiming bias
Says X character should scale despite anti-feats shown, not having any other supporting feat, says its PIS for character Z to not scale despite being relative to character Y on many different occasions, that is relative to, could no sell character X

If this isn't bias I don't know what is. The same arguments of incredulity is basically what he's using to prove boruto and others don't scale.
 
the ETSO point was dropped because the argument was Isshiki should scale beyond it via his statement were as my argument is the Kaguya we see in the War inherently scales to it as she was always using the Shinobi Chakra from the beginning so the Momo and Kin statements would scale off of it as its the only Kaguya Sasuke knows first hand, I'd like to understand why you want me to drop it when its relevant to the discussion?
I want to address ETSO as much as the next guy but I think it's best to focus on the other stuff before bringing that up.
 
i dont see why a singular juubito anti feat matters, when later he gets hit with stronger senjustu attacks and they dont harm him
Juubito doesn't matter, was trying to use it to prove a point.
Which stronger senjutsu attack was he hit with that had no effect?
 
I want to address ETSO as much as the next guy but I think it's best to focus on the other stuff before bringing that up.
fair I'll leave it for now but I guarantee if I made a thread on it it would get locked which is why I brought it up here in the first place, wanted to see if I could actually squeeze an argument out of ppl that wasn't just "the rules that were made like 5 years ago say so and they are and always will be 100% valid"
Bro please refrain from derailing my thread
😳 I'm dropping it anyway wasn't planning on having a drawn out discussion anyway I just wanted to see some reasoning
 
He had an unprecedent/extraordinarily/unparalleled low amount of Chakra compared to any of his other fights, that his Rinnengan lost their Tomoe and he was incapable of accessing his Mangekyo.

Does this description satisfy you?
Not really, because you’re still making it out to be like Sasuke was so incredibly low on chakra that it’s a major nerf or something.

Yes, Sasuke wasn’t at full capacity. That’s why he lost the tomoe. But the fact of the matter is that he still has the Rinnegan, which would logically put him above a version of himself without it.
 
Sakura and the Kages in the same tier as Hagoromo, Kaguya and Madara...

"Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”
They would literally scale above them going by this. This would literally make the already questionable scaling for the franchise even more inconsistent
 
Hold up didn't Rinnegan's Teleport/switch place drain massive chakra from Sasuke which make him disappeared every tomoe or what?
No, he was probably too long wandering in dimensions without having a real fight and was probably exhausted physically and mentally, this only happened in the gaiden.
 
I fail to see how that thread on “is a character going all out” matters when A) Sasuke was ready to kill his kid cuz he didn’t recognize her and B) Naruto saw this squirt with an MS and said I gotta go all out.
 
*Sakura and the kages after having more than a decade to grow in power with several narrative implications that the five villages made severe efforts to do so to combat Invaders like kaguya, with further affirmation on characters like kakashi getting magnitudes stronger
Magnitudes is ≠ suddenly equal to scaling above god tiers
 
*Sakura and the kages after having more than a decade to grow in power with several narrative implications that the five villages made severe efforts to do so to combat Invaders like kaguya, with further affirmation on characters like kakashi getting magnitudes stronger
.

Oh and the sakura accolades posted earlier
 
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