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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Thats not necessary. Calcing the size of a GRB makes no sense given the context we have.
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A GRB can vary in size. Garou's is much smaller than an actual one. So calculating to compensate for that would give us a baseline of how strong it is.
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Then the fight is interrupted and Garou has to team up with S-class to fight a giant centipede
Would be peak fiction
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GRB scene reminds me of the Don Slime supernova statements. Where he just makes a smaller version of the real thing.
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Speaking of that, if God turns out to never have a feat on his own, I think we can already give him Tier 4 or whatever Garou ends up at. Since he went for 5-C to such a higher Tier, most of it comes from God anyway, he should downscale
He also already has some good haxes
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Garou was specifically stated to be able to have control the vast amount of power of the universe and is able to harness it inside of his body. He has the full force of the GRB. The best way to go about it is find the power of an average GRB, and just give that to Garou.
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Garou was only given a fraction of God's power as Matt pointed out.
If anything, God upscale drastically.
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Yeah but this is right after it was compared to the Water Stream Fist mimicking the flow of water. the Water Stream Fist doesn't literally create water currents but it acts like one. In this case Garou is producing his own GRB, no reason to instantly assume it's identical to a real one because Gamma Ray Bursts are scientific phenomena they don't have an Area of Effect they are just big.
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My bad, I meant upscale yeah
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Psykos and Garou ******* merge into a GarouPsykos Cosmic Centipede
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A Psykos-Garou fusing sequence sounds pretty hot. I'll take it.
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In case you guys didn't realize I'm trying to get y'all to get the High 4-C on Garou's page through a concession. If you just push for it you're not getting it, it's not gonna be accepted. So let's calc the smaller version and argue for an "At least, likely" rating.
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Gamma Ray Bursts are actually very focused. It's the energy of a supernova mostly focused into the beams.
But he is mimicking the IRL phenomena. It's just like... the IRL one is also much bigger.
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It was taking the concept of the flow of energy and taking control of that on a grander scale. We see Garou doing the same thing to Saitama- someone who was destroying him earlier. He was able to perfectly copy Saitama's strength and speed and match him.
The GRB that Garou copied was even compared to a real one by the narrater. Garou even stated that he has control over the flow of power of the universe, meaning that he can recreate things like that.
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Okay, so people, we need someone to find a source for how big the average Gamma Ray Burst is. Once we find that, we can start going somewhere with the CRT we plan to make at some point.
I've searched google a bit but I haven't found a good source.
I've searched google a bit but I haven't found a good source.
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That makes negative sense. If people actually cared to read the chapter instead of not wanting to just apply well supported upgrades, then this would not be an issue.
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No the narrator just explained what a GRB was it didn't compare it to Garou.
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A GRB is an after effect of a supernova where the blackhole collapses fadt enough to form radiation jets.
The average for any GRB would be the same for a Supernova, one Foe of energy or 10^44. Though GRBs can top out to 4-B with Quasars and all that.
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The narrative implication here is that Garou is trying to replicate a GRB, explaining what it actually is before hand to give us an idea of the feat Garou is displaying.
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Yes, I know the average energy. I mean the SIZE, how big one is. We need that if we're going to proportionally scale Garou's to a real GRB.
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Garou: Gains the power to control and understand the flow of energy and power of all things in the universe, and is stated to be able to harness said energy in his body
Also Garou: Copies the strength of power and speed of someone previously massively superior to him, and matches him using that understanding of flow
Garou right after: Does exactly what he was stated to be able to do, and harnessed the power of a GRB inside of his body, and shoots it out
Narrator: Tells us how powerful a GRB is
VSBW: Let's calc how strong a 20 meter GRB would be even though the manga stated that he can harness the power of a GRB in his body
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But according to wiki, its radiation can ruin the molecule. What about Matter Manipulation via Radiation?
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GRBs aren't like supernovas. The length of their jets depend on angle which can cause it to lose energy at different rates.
The only way to get a Tier from it would be to get the size of the black hole he makes and then compare it to one from a binary or large star supernova.
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Yeah that was brought up last page. To be precise, Saitama said he got scratched. Which is still damage obviously, but a bit more precise with how much he took.
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That's what radiation does. Like we don't give fire manipulation people heat manipulation despite fire making things hotter.
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I see, that seems fair. Well, I guess someone needs to calc the size of the black hole then.
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I agree with this. The attack being scaled to a gamma ray burst of the same size is fine with me.
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Or to not calc anything an give him whatever the average GRB is, as thats what the manga states.
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from space battles:
Could calculate the Eddington Luminosity. That would form the upper end of how much energy a real black hole of that size can radiate.
Formula for Eddington Luminosity in watts is L-edd = 3 * 10^4 * 4 * 10^26 * (mass of black hole / mass of sun). A black hole of the size shown on the panel where the attack is first called Gamma Ray Burst would be 350 Earth masses, or about 1/1000 of a solar mass.
Plug that in and we get 1.2 * 10^28 joules per second, about 30 times the sun's output. This would actually take quite a while to scatter the planet.
Could calculate the Eddington Luminosity. That would form the upper end of how much energy a real black hole of that size can radiate.
Formula for Eddington Luminosity in watts is L-edd = 3 * 10^4 * 4 * 10^26 * (mass of black hole / mass of sun). A black hole of the size shown on the panel where the attack is first called Gamma Ray Burst would be 350 Earth masses, or about 1/1000 of a solar mass.
Plug that in and we get 1.2 * 10^28 joules per second, about 30 times the sun's output. This would actually take quite a while to scatter the planet.
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I think Gamma Ray Bursts are actually somewhat small, looking into it. Relative to how large interstellar bodies usually are, I mean.
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Why?
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It doesn't have to fit the size criteria, so I'd say it's fine. The fact Murata went out of his way to make a comparison to a IRL one should be evidence enough,
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Uh... This is just the energy radiating from it.
Creating the Black Hole itself is a tier 5/4 feat.
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if not mistaken, thats 3 exatons per second
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It doesn't. It implies that regardless, a mere touch is enough, and the deal is sealed.
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From what I can find, according to the TVO limits a star had to have at least 3x the solar mass of the sun to become a black hole (or at least consistently become one).
Which translates to a radius of 8,862 meters.
Earth has a radius of 9mm and Jupiter has one of like 2.82 meters. So if he breaks double digits there's a good chance he gets in upper 5-A or High 5-A for black hole creation.
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