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The narrative implication here is that Garou is trying to replicate a GRB, explaining what it actually is before hand to give us an idea of the feat Garou is displaying.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Yes, I know the average energy. I mean the SIZE, how big one is. We need that if we're going to proportionally scale Garou's to a real GRB.
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Garou: Gains the power to control and understand the flow of energy and power of all things in the universe, and is stated to be able to harness said energy in his body
Also Garou: Copies the strength of power and speed of someone previously massively superior to him, and matches him using that understanding of flow
Garou right after: Does exactly what he was stated to be able to do, and harnessed the power of a GRB inside of his body, and shoots it out
Narrator: Tells us how powerful a GRB is
VSBW: Let's calc how strong a 20 meter GRB would be even though the manga stated that he can harness the power of a GRB in his body
Megaraptor149
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But according to wiki, its radiation can ruin the molecule. What about Matter Manipulation via Radiation?
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GRBs aren't like supernovas. The length of their jets depend on angle which can cause it to lose energy at different rates.
The only way to get a Tier from it would be to get the size of the black hole he makes and then compare it to one from a binary or large star supernova.
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Yeah that was brought up last page. To be precise, Saitama said he got scratched. Which is still damage obviously, but a bit more precise with how much he took.
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That's what radiation does. Like we don't give fire manipulation people heat manipulation despite fire making things hotter.
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I see, that seems fair. Well, I guess someone needs to calc the size of the black hole then.
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I agree with this. The attack being scaled to a gamma ray burst of the same size is fine with me.
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Or to not calc anything an give him whatever the average GRB is, as thats what the manga states.
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from space battles:
Could calculate the Eddington Luminosity. That would form the upper end of how much energy a real black hole of that size can radiate.
Formula for Eddington Luminosity in watts is L-edd = 3 * 10^4 * 4 * 10^26 * (mass of black hole / mass of sun). A black hole of the size shown on the panel where the attack is first called Gamma Ray Burst would be 350 Earth masses, or about 1/1000 of a solar mass.
Plug that in and we get 1.2 * 10^28 joules per second, about 30 times the sun's output. This would actually take quite a while to scatter the planet.
Could calculate the Eddington Luminosity. That would form the upper end of how much energy a real black hole of that size can radiate.
Formula for Eddington Luminosity in watts is L-edd = 3 * 10^4 * 4 * 10^26 * (mass of black hole / mass of sun). A black hole of the size shown on the panel where the attack is first called Gamma Ray Burst would be 350 Earth masses, or about 1/1000 of a solar mass.
Plug that in and we get 1.2 * 10^28 joules per second, about 30 times the sun's output. This would actually take quite a while to scatter the planet.
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I think Gamma Ray Bursts are actually somewhat small, looking into it. Relative to how large interstellar bodies usually are, I mean.
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Why?
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It doesn't have to fit the size criteria, so I'd say it's fine. The fact Murata went out of his way to make a comparison to a IRL one should be evidence enough,
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Uh... This is just the energy radiating from it.
Creating the Black Hole itself is a tier 5/4 feat.
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if not mistaken, thats 3 exatons per second
GodlyCharmander
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It doesn't. It implies that regardless, a mere touch is enough, and the deal is sealed.
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From what I can find, according to the TVO limits a star had to have at least 3x the solar mass of the sun to become a black hole (or at least consistently become one).
Which translates to a radius of 8,862 meters.
Earth has a radius of 9mm and Jupiter has one of like 2.82 meters. So if he breaks double digits there's a good chance he gets in upper 5-A or High 5-A for black hole creation.
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It is most definitely about 5+ meters. But could be bigger here.
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If its 350x Earth then we have our tier already. Size wise it would 5-A due to the weight and if we assume E=MC^2 for mass-energy transfer it would be 1.8786409874582e+44 Joules for creating one out of existing energy.
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Funnily enough that value is nearly the exact same as an average GRB. Wow.
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I believe we should still vouch for Garou scaling full on to the average GRB. High 4-C Garou is based, and makes sense.
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High 4C Garou is better
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regardless someone should create a calc for it
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I can work one up Thursday when I get off work.
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Garou's Height = 177 cm
Garou's Leg = 94 cm
Black Hole Length = 6 m
Black Hole Radius = 3 m
Black Hole Formula = ((299792458^2/(2*6.674*10^-11))/(5.972*10^24))*(2.487*10^32) * radius in meters = energy in joules
Energy = ((299792458^2/(2*6.674*10^-11))/(5.972*10^24))*(2.487*10^32) * 3 = 8.412*10^34 Joules, 20.10 Yottatons of TNT (Large Planet level)
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Garou solos CellDidn't ppl mention it was 4-C or High 4-C when the feat was revealed?
Edit: Oh. 4-B. We get a Saitama vs Superman thread
GodlyCharmander
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Wouldn't a simplistic calc be enough?
In 40s, a GRB releases as much energy as the sun's entire lifetime. The Sun's lifespan is ~10 billion years
10 billion years is 315567360000000000s
The sun loses 3.78*10^26 joules every second.
Thus, 315567360000000000*(3.78*10^26) = 1.2 FOE (High 4-C)
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Therefir already did it.
Anyways if we're doing Matt's suggestion then his Tier is currently "High 5-A (above Black Hole calc), likely High 4-C (Compared to a real Gamma Ray Burst which produces at least 1 foe or 10^44 joules of energy)"
Anyways if we're doing Matt's suggestion then his Tier is currently "High 5-A (above Black Hole calc), likely High 4-C (Compared to a real Gamma Ray Burst which produces at least 1 foe or 10^44 joules of energy)"
GodlyCharmander
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If Matt suggested it, then I'm against it (jk, I just don't agree with likely)
The literal only reason why High 4-C is "likely" is due to size. I disagree. The context of Garou knowing all flows of the universe, being able to copy Saitama's abilities to perfection to the point he actually hurt him, and Murata going out of his way to tell us how power his attack is, should be very "definitive" for his tier, which makes the "likely" trivial.
Either way, this should be taken to a CRT so we can actually have a debate about it.
The literal only reason why High 4-C is "likely" is due to size. I disagree. The context of Garou knowing all flows of the universe, being able to copy Saitama's abilities to perfection to the point he actually hurt him, and Murata going out of his way to tell us how power his attack is, should be very "definitive" for his tier, which makes the "likely" trivial.
Either way, this should be taken to a CRT so we can actually have a debate about it.
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Tbh in the second one it may have expanded and gotten even bigger.
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lazily using the building storey as a measuring stick there (~3 meter)
storey = 3 px = 3 m
bh diameter = 86.4523 px = 86.4523 meters
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Put this on a blog and have it evaluated.
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well... at least it was Saitama strength that could hurt himself...
Saitamabros...
