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Yeah but off guard or not doesn’t matter cuz a supersonic+ just can’t even land on an off guard MHS
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Also weren’t there many points in the fight where the S-class heroes landed dozens of blows before Melz could react or retaliate? Scaling them to each other seems kinda silly
 
Given that he, again, perception blitzed the fastest possible Melzalgald with no effort and is infinitely faster than PPP, I'd have to say yes.

Even BoS Iaian saw this.
Yeah cool. That still doesn’t throw out my claim. Lowkey we gotta start adding 1000x multipliers to off guard characters since we know they’re capable of dropping there speed that much.
4 characters chilling at MHS+ struggle to take out a supersonic+ character even with regen aside…the logic isn’t there at all.
 
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Also weren’t there many points in the fight where the S-class heroes landed dozens of blows before Melz could react or retaliate? Scaling them to each other seems kinda silly
Except dragon ball is explicitly known to lower every stat off an off guard character when OPM does quite the opposite.
 
The entire previous discussion has thrown out your claim.

Melz didn't get a direct hit on any of them any other time, and only Bang is MHS+. It's literally all regen, and his performance against them is pathetic.

That's not how multipliers work, and what you're saying borders on calc stacking.
 
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Atomic Samurai statue and blitz released Boros hundreds of times over

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The entire previous discussion has thrown out your claim.
no.
Melz didn't get a hit on any of them any other time, and only Bang is MHS+. It's literally all regen.
with ur logic, if there so fast the fight couldve ended in an instant, PPP wouldn’t have needed to grab onto Melz, Bang wouldn’t have needed to perform any such movements. blah blah blah. The huge difference in speed is atrocious and the justifications behind how this 4v1 went down don’t add up.
That's not how multipliers work, and what you're saying borders on calc stacking.
It’s not calc stacking. it’s ur logic.🧍
 
with ur logic, if there so fast the fight couldve ended in an instant, PPP wouldn’t have needed to grab onto Melz, Bang wouldn’t have needed to perform any such movements. blah blah blah. The huge difference in speed is atrocious and the justifications behind how this 4v1 went down don’t add up.
It pretty much did. After the bullets stop, the fight goes on for 12 linear panels, some of which Bang isn't there for.

PPP isn't MHS+, PPP is Hypersonic. Also, he's surprised at this move, suggesting it wasn't purposefully to let Bang do this.

Against one character, who's blitzed Mel numerous times.
It’s not calc stacking. it’s ur logic.🧍
It's nigh-calc stacking, and it's not my logic. I never said we could apply a moronic multiplier to everyone under the sun.
 
Plus, this is the only time Melz has even kept up with Bang. The good majority of the time, Melz was gettiing blitzed by EVERYONE. Even ******* Iaian was blitzing him for most of the fight.
 
I just remembered, but they didn't even know the exact location of all the marbles until here and Melz is capable of shifting them while fully formed. So they literally had no way to take him out instantly.
 
It pretty much did.
scans? or should I say scan since it should be that quick.
PPP isn't MHS+, PPP is Hypersonic. Also, he's surprised at this move, suggesting it wasn't purposefully to let Bang do this.
Dodged lightning but that aside. PPP was useless in that situation and he still could’ve speed blitzed, but chose not to?😱
Against one character, who's blitzed Mel numerous times.
could’ve insta ended the fight tho, and not put up a dodging sequence.
It's nigh-calc stacking,
no.
and it's not my logic.
it is.
I never said we could apply a moronic multiplier to everyone under the sun.
u suggested it since you know…a snail can blitz and off guard athlete.
 
I just remembered, but they didn't even know the exact location of all the marbles until here and Melz is capable of shifting them while fully formed. So they literally had no way to take him out instantly.
Bat told them, they’re hundreds of times faster, an instant vaporization barrage of attacks before regen could even happen is what truest happens if you’re that much quicker.
 
Plus, this is the only time Melz has even kept up with Bang. The good majority of the time, Melz was gettiing blitzed by EVERYONE. Even ******* Iaian was blitzing him for most of the fight.
it’s doesn’t matter if it happened once or hundreds of times. A snail caught an athlete.
 
Or you know, it could be an *ahem
Outlier
because this is the ONLY time Melz keeps up with people much faster than hium in the fight, and people slower than Bang were blitzing him much more consistently.
 
Or you know, it could be an *ahem
Outlier
because this is the ONLY time Melz keeps up with people much faster than hium in the fight, and people slower than Bang were blitzing him much more consistently.
Yeah, but the speed difference here doesn’t even qualify as a blitz…bang is fast enough to do 1000 movements before Melzargard can do even 1. So…like…why’d the fight last a single second once they found out about regen marbles…
 
scans? or should I say scan since it should be that quick.
You missed the edit, but it was about a dozen linear panels, some of which didn't include Bang.
Dodged lightning but that aside.
During the middle of the MA arc.
PPP was useless in that situation and he still could’ve speed blitzed, but chose not to?😱
PPP's speedblitzed him before.

As I mentioned, only Bang figured out where the marbles were, and that's only during the regeneration process. So yes.
could’ve insta ended the fight tho, and not put up a dodging sequence.
He didn't know where the weakspot was until after getting taken off guard, at which point the fight ended in an instant.
Yes. You're applying the speed gap from calculations.
No.
u suggested it since you know…a snail can blitz and off guard athlete.
But I didn't.
Bat told them, they’re hundreds of times faster, an instant vaporization barrage of attacks before regen could even happen is what truest happens if you’re that much quicker.
What suggests they can vaporize him? Also, PPP did this kind of barrage, let alone Atomic Samurai.

Bat just told them the marbles exist, not where. He can shift them around at will unless he's regenerating, which Bang only figured out after some time.
 
You missed the edit, but it was about a dozen linear panels, some of which didn't include Bang.
But why are there a dozen panels if the fight shouldn’t have lasted that long…🥹
During the MA arc.
Yeah. 20x multiplier we gotta add🤷‍♂️
PPP's speedblitzed him before.
And then he didn’t.
As I mentioned, only Bang figured out where the marbles were, and that's only during the regeneration process. So yes.
Yeah but he wouldn’t have to figure out if he’s 1000x faster…
He didn't know where the weakspot was until after getting taken off guard, at which point the fight ended in an instant.
But it didn’t tho.
Yes. You're applying the speed gap from calculations.
I’m not. u are.
yes.
But I didn't.
You did.
Bat just told them the marbles exist, not where. He can shift them around at will unless he's regenerating, which Bang only figured out after some time.
After some time! Impossible! It should’ve been instant! since yk…he’s 1000x faster.
 
But why are there a dozen panels if the fight shouldn’t have lasted that long…🥹
Because A) some didn't include Bang, and B) they couldn't find the marbles (with or without speed, as I'll show later, so don't repeat the same point).
Yeah. 20x multiplier we gotta add🤷‍♂️
We did the same for Iaian, but I guess that only works when it's affecting your point.
And then he didn’t.
When didn't he? All I see is Melz taking damage throughout the entire fight.
Yeah but he wouldn’t have to figure out if he’s 1000x faster…
They absolutely would have because AS exists. You seem to have either missed this point of cut it out.
But it didn’t tho.
Yes it did.
I’m not. u are.
No, you're literally the only one doing this. Your points are bad, feel bad.
After some time! Impossible! It should’ve been instant! since yk…he’s 1000x faster.
Atomic Samurai can slice Melz a bajillion times per instant. You know who found the marble? Bang, after digging into his head.

Speed is not enough.
 
Because A) some didn't include Bang,
But the others are still much much much faster.
and B) they couldn't find the marbles.
Shouldn’t need to “find” them if ur that much faster.
We did the same for Iaian, but I guess that only works when it's affecting your point.
Yes. You are correct. Me>anything else.
When didn't he? All I see is Melz taking damage throughout the entire fight.
You ain’t peep bang having to dodge and PPP having to put up a fight against such a “slow” opponent.
They absolutely would have because AS exists. You seem to have either missed this point of cut it out.
Um…this doesn’t really prove anything. More so helps me cuz they couldn’t instantly locate the marbles when fighting such a “fodder” opponent.
Yes it did.
They knew about the marbles pre tats stopping the barrage and it took them multiple moments to get to the marble.😱😱
No, you're literally the only one doing this. Your points are bad, feel bad.
I’m feel. I’m very feel. 👨‍💼 great multiplier btw, gotta give credit where credit is due.
Atomic Samurai can slice Melz a bajillion times per instant. You know who found the marble? Bang, after digging into his head.
Should’ve found it quicker than that if he was really that much faster🤷‍♂️
Speed is not enough.
It isn’t, bc melz is faster than his “calced” speed.

also using the anime timeframe is atrocious…
Anime time frames deflate results 100% of the time for small scale/range feats.
 
Unrelated to your discussion but I just realized something. Do you remember when Garou performed a building-level feat against Saitama despite being continental (literally trillions of times difference)? I think that might be intentional since it was a durability negation technique and Garou doesn't kill humans.

And in the latest chapter he applies same technique but with small planet level energy. Saitama's actual durability should be insane.
 
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