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Upgrade every bubble/world from Maou Gakuin to tier 2A

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Everything12 said:
Like I said, imZer0Null's has proposed multiple different conclusions to this thread. 2-B bubbles to no changes at all are equally possible takeaways from the points imZer0Null has given.
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Well yeah 2B bubble Is a possible ending based on feats but logically 2A bubble is possible.
Anyway null and OP just need to reach a concensus
 
I agree with @Everything12, Null's proposal is not certain to a single conclusion but his main proposal was that the Worlds be treated as 2-B and IMO I think elizhaa refers to the 2-B proposal, tho it would be better to tag @imZer0Null here
 
I proposed that IF all divine domains are considered significant sized 4-D space-time continuums, that each bubble should be rated countless into 2-B, for containing countless divine domains in the azure sky.
However, I also proposed that IF all divine domains are NOT considered significant sized 4-D space-time continuums, that each bubble should be rated Low 2-C as it already is.
 
Was about to say that myself. Nowhere did imZer0Null show any strict bias toward one proposal of the other, with them saying if frequently. So I'm not sure where you got the idea that they weren’t just proposals of hypothetical conclusions based on if certain criteria was met. With imZer0Null leaving the decision of whether the criteria was met up to the individual to decide.

Saying all that, all we have left to do is to wait for Elizhaa to come back and clarify what conclusion they reached and if it has matched up with mine.
 
Given the context of atleast 4 realms being seperate space time continuum and divine realm exist in a different dimension than mortal world and has countless realms of same types which all exist inside a bubble. Atleast 2B possibly 2A rating should be fine. Well lets see what Elizha gonna say

Anyway even having so much context and still keeping the bubble 2C kinda huge low ball
 
Just bring this point up from a re-read, are there more evidences that the divine realms are universal space-time continuums besides the quote by imZer0Null, which would affect 2-B?
If not, 2-B looks vaguer and I would be fine no changes.
 
Dunno. The most clear statement is that each of the countless divine realms are microcosm of world which is a space-time continuums, I'll call null btw.
 
Elizhaa said:
Just bring this point up from a re-read, are there more evidences that the divine realms are universal space-time continuums besides the quote by imZer0Null, which would affect 2-B?
If not, 2-B looks vaguer and I would be fine no changes.
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  1. Land of traces
  2. Future world
  3. Time God domain
  4. Devil Garden
All has their own Timelines where Future world is atleast 2C possibly 2B because of containing all possibilities futures. From present to all possible future timeliness.

Even Beside that countless realms which exists in Azure sky are stated to be same type as Future world NAFTA.
Well we also have WOG saying every God has their own World.

So atleast solid 2B Possibly 2A should be fine based on Bubble world being infinite size even from Outside POV and contains all these inside of it.
 
I don't see what's wrong, shouldn't shrines already be accepted as Low-2C? first we have:


ノイズ交じりの声が響く。
「時間の歯車は回り始める。過去と未来が交わることのないように、過去に置き去りにされた汝は、未来の私には永久に追いつけない」
　時間をすっ飛ばしたかのような速度で、＜極獄界滅灰燼魔砲エギル・グローネ・アングドロア＞を避け、俺の背後に回り込んだエクエスは、右腕を振り上げていた。
　その手の歯車が高速で回転し、俺の顔面を轢き潰さんとばかりに突き出された。
　左手でそれをわしづかみにし、俺は無造作に受け止めた。
　歯車が手の中で回転するが、それをぐっと押さえつけ、停止させる。
「……ギッ……！？」
「お前の未来が、俺の過去に届くと思ったか？」
　＜運命の歯車＞ベルテクスフェンブレムが回転し、再び奴の魔力が上昇する。

A voice with noise echoes.
"The wheels of time begin to turn. Just as the past and the future will never intersect, you, left behind in the past, will never catch up with me in the future."
　With a speed that seemed to have skipped through time, Eques dodged the <Egil Grone Angudoroa, the Extreme Prisoner of the World of Ashes> and came around behind me, raising his right arm.
　The cogwheel of his hand spun at high speed and was thrust out as if to run over my face.
　I grabbed it with my left hand and took it carelessly.
　The gear spun in my hand, but I held it down and brought it to a stop.
"......Git......!"
"Did you think your future could reach my past?"
　The "Gear of Destiny" beltex fenbrem rotates, and his magical power rises once again.

三面世界のあらゆる場所に銅の歯車が埋め込まれる。
空や地表、氷の街や、森、山々の至るところで、その＜運命の歯車＞が回り始めた。
「汝が身動きひとつすれば、三面世界＜魔王庭園＞は創世の秩序ごと脆く砕け散る。それこそが、ベルテクスフェンブレムがたった今定めた、決して逃れられず、決して覆すことのできない運命だ」

Copper gears are embedded everywhere in the three-sided world.
　In the sky, on the surface of the earth, in cities of ice, in forests and mountains, the wheels of destiny began to turn.
"If you make a single move, the entire three-sided world of the Garden of the Demon King will shatter into fragments, as will the entire order of creation. That is the fate that Vertex Fenwrem has just decreed, a fate that cannot be escaped and cannot be overturned."

「……滅ぼせるはずがない。遅い早いではなく、運命は先に決まっているのだ。たとえ創世より前の過去に遡って力を発揮しようと、＜運命の歯車＞はそれより先に＜魔王庭園＞を滅ぼす……」

"...... cannot be destroyed. The destiny is not slow or fast, but it is decided ahead of time. Even if you go back to the past before the creation and exert your power, the <Gear of Destiny> will destroy the <Demon King's Garden> before it does. ......"

We have the domain of the god of time, something that everyone knows and that the gods when they really want to fight against Anos, they invoke their domains, which are their sanctuaries, and it is said clearly that the domain invoked by Eugo La Ravaiz is isolated from the world:

“The space that Eugo Ra Raviaz created was isolated from the world and when I killed him we became unable to return to the time we left. As a result, we have arrived a few hours ahead.”

It is also stated by the god himself that the space he created/summoned was his heavenly realm:

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Everyone here knows that within their shrines/realms is the place where they can best use their abilities and freely control their order, and that shrines are also other isolated spaces from the world and that the gods can invoke them, obviously that is the space of the god of time, containing his own timeline as he is seen stopping time, turning his body back in time, and even speeding up time.

"Even then I'm still kinda of iffy on declaring the Land of Traces and the Future World Crystal as entire four dimensional structures because of their nature of reflecting only a part of the world's timeline with it's past and possible future."

I think we have some misinterpretations here? the future world crystal was not seeing the futures/possibilities of the militia world, but the futures/possibilities of the Nafta world itself, if the future world crystal were really involved with the futures of the militia world, and the world were destroyed after the destruction of the crystal, Arnos would have destroyed the world in the fight against Nafta, the nature of the crystal of the future world is not to be involved with the future of the militia world, the crystal of the future world is only used in the world created by NAFTA, because that is where futures/possibilities exist.

In a nutshell, what has these possibilities is the world of Nafta, and the crystal of the world of the future just looks at all the possibilities and chooses one of them to limit the person from all other possibilities, making there only one destiny ( I think you can call it fate) for the person affected by it.

But yes, the world of the future has its own timeline(s)

「ここは地下遺跡リーガロンドロル。すべての過去が刻まれし痕跡の大地なり」

"This is the underground ruins LaLiga Rondor. All the past is carved and it is a land of traces."


For those who don't understand, the world of traces actually has the past of the militia world, BUT, and said that the past of the world is "sculpted" in the world of traces, the world of traces has no real connection with the past of the world. militia, it's more like he "copied" all the years from the militia world, and put it on himself, I think you get the point, right? although the trace world has all the militia world's past, all the billions of years existing in the trace world are not connected with the real past of the militia world.

「時を歪めたか」

　魔眼めを凝らし、その深淵を見つめながら、言う。

「然り。痕跡の大地では、未来には辿り着かぬ。我が信徒、ゴルロアナの命は過去に刻まれたまま、決して滅ぶことはない」

"Did you distort the time?"

Say while staring at the abyss with an evil eye.

"Yes. In the land of traces, we will never reach the future. The lives of our followers, Gorroana, will never be destroyed, as they have been engraved in the past."

「だが、それはすべて過去の話だろう？」

　滅びゆこうとする自らの根源に、魔法陣を描く。

　世界を滅ぼす終末の火を、俺はその身に取り込んでいた。

「悪いが俺は未来に向かっている」

"But that's all a thing of the past?"

Draw a magic circle at the root of oneself that is about to perish.

I had taken in the end-of-life fire that would destroy the world.

"I'm sorry, but I'm heading for the future."

It is said that they will never reach the future because the world of traces is a "sculpture" of the past, and therefore it is not possible they will never reach the future, not because the future doesn't exist or something, but because the very order doesn't allow, in the world of traces, all the past of the militia world is registered, that's why spells that Arnos already used in the past didn't work there, because he already had her records, so much so that Anos had to resort to the deictic "7 steps of Nirvana", well, I don't exactly have an exact proof that the future exists in the world of traces other than Anos' statement where he says "it's going to the future" and when it's said that "never reached the future" already that it would not make sense to declare that the future would not be reached in a place where it does not exist, but it cannot be said that there is no future just because the world of traces contains traces of all the past of the militia world, it contains the trace from all the past of the militia world and the order of the god of the traces, not the structure of the world itself, so much so that the traces are kept in books, not in the structure of the world.
 
Pain_to12 said:
Everything has been brought above previously
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I'm just clarifying the horrible interpretations they've had of Land of Traces and the world of the future, and as I said earlier, to say that the land of traces doesn't have a future just because the order of the god of traces contains traces of the past makes no sense.
 
Low 2-C: Universe level+
Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale.
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This is kinda crazy even though realms are universal according to wiki standard but we don't wanna consider them as universal because we don't wanna believe them being universal.

  1. Realms has same size of universe
  2. Realms have different timelines
  3. But we still don't see how realms are 4D
Well I guess MGF is special case 😆. A 4D construct in MGF will be just 3D I see.
 
Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
This is kinda crazy even though realms are universal according to wiki standard but we don't wanna consider them as universal because we don't wanna believe them being universal.

  1. Realms has same size of universe
  2. Realms have different timelines
  3. But we still don't see how realms are 4D
Well I guess MGF is special case 😆. A 4D construct in MGF will be just 3D I see.
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I really dont know what to tell you, I have said it too many times already, a universal size construct would always be 4D, as it has past, present and fututre.
But its destruction can be 3A, High3A or low2C.
low 2C is just a description of such destruction.
and again a 4D construct can contain another 4D construct.
 
Pain_to12 said:
I really dont know what to tell you, I have said it too many times already, a universal size construct would always be 4D, as it has past, present and fututre.
But its destruction can be 3A, High3A or low2C.
low 2C is just a description of such destruction.
and again a 4D construct can contain another 4D construct.
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I don't remember anywhere anyone saying it's exist inside 4D construct.

Nightmare_Bloodfallen said:
Lay took a breath out of the spectacular sight.
Even Shin couldn't hide his astonishment, as his gaze was stern.
We were in a sea that flowed out silvery light.
Looking back, I could see an endlessly huge, round bubble of silver light.
Looking with my Magic Eyes, I can certainly see the magical power of the creator god Militia.
This silver bubble was the world we were in.
"I might have called it "outside this world", but at least no one has ever seen anything outside this world. Even what we call "other dimensions" and "different worlds or realms" must exist inside this world after all."
To begin with Bubble world from outside view infinite in size. Everything including other dimensions and realms/worlds should exist inside the bubble. Which includes Azure sky of gods which contains countless realms of 4D structures
それは、遠い遠い始まりの記憶 この世界の原初にして、 繰り返された幾億目かの創世であった。
銀髪の少女は、まぶたを開く。
最初に視界に映されたのは、一面が真白に染められた空。 上下もなく、左右もなく、 見渡す限り、 どこまでも白が続いている。
『おはよう』
声が響いた。
『おはよう。 最期の子』
銀髪の少女は、 ぱちぱちと瞬きをする。
周囲を見渡すが、 声の主はどこにもいない。
『捜しても、 もういない。 私は、 すでに滅んだのだから。 これは、あな たに大切なことを伝えるために創造しておいた声』
「・・・・・・ あなたは誰･････?」
少女が問うと､ すぐに優しい声が返ってきた。
『私はあなたの前の代の創造神。 名はエレネシア。 あなたとあなたの妹 の母』
「……妹…………？」
銀髪の少女は背中に視線を向ける。 そっと後ろ手を伸ばしたが、 あるのはただ空だけだ。

It was the memory of a distant beginning, the primordial, repeated, billionth creation of this world.
The silver-haired girl opens her eyelids.
The first thing she sees is a sky that has been dyed completely white. There was no up and down, no left and right, as far as the eye could see, endless white.
Good morning.
A voice echoed.
"Good morning. Last child."
The silver-haired girl blinks.
She looks around, but the owner of the voice is nowhere to be found.
"I looked for her, but she was gone. I have already perished. This is the voice I created to tell you something important."
"・・・・・・ Who are you ・・・・・?"
The girl asked, and immediately a gentle voice answered.
"I am the creator of the generation before you. My name is Elenesia. I am the mother of you and your sister."
"...... sister ............?"
The silver-haired girl looked behind her back. She gently reaches behind her back, but all she sees is the sky.
Militia born in a white sky or higher D space before creating the world. It is stated to have infinite size.
め め ミーシャの神眼にはアーティエルトノアが､ サーシャの神眼にはサー ジエルドナーヴェがあり、 月と太陽が見つめ合った。
<魔王庭園>の空に浮かぶく創造の月>と<破滅の太陽が重なって
いく。
刻一刻と月が欠ける。 やがて、アーティエルトノアの皆既月蝕が起こった。
<源創の月蝕>は赤銀の光を放ちながら、 く魔王庭園>を優しく照ら
す。
そうせいてんきゅう 「三面世界<創世天球>」
氷の世界が消えていく。 地表や山々、森や街が消えていき、 最後、 空に浮かんでいた<源創の 月蝕>も消えた。
そこは､上下も左右も判然とせぬ一面が真白に染められた空。 立っているのか、 浮いているのかもはっきりとしない不思議な世界で は、どこまでも白が続いていた。
「ここって······?」
サーシャの問いに、ミーシャはこくりとうなずく。
「<源創の月蝕>の中。 <創世天球>は、世界を俯瞰する」
足元にあった、 白い世界が溶けていく。 まるで雪のように、 優しく、柔らかく。
そうして､やがて､眼下には、四つになって滅びゆく地上と､ 崩壊寸 前の神界が映っていた。
<源創の月蝕>は、今、 神界と地上の空、 どちらにも昇っている。 俺たちはその中から、 両方を俯瞰しているのだ。

The moon and the sun gazed at each other, as Misha's divine eye held Artieltnor and Sasha's divine eye held Sergierdnäve.
The moon of creation in the sky of the Garden of the Demon King and the sun of doom overlapped.
Every moment the moon was missing. Soon, the total lunar eclipse of Artielt Noah occurred.
The lunar eclipse of the source of creation gently illuminated the Garden of the Demon Lords with a reddish-silver light.
The total lunar eclipse of Source Creation was observed.
"Three-sided world creation celestial sphere"
The icy world is disappearing. The surface of the earth, mountains, forests, and cities disappear, and finally, the lunar eclipse of Genesis, which was floating in the sky, disappears.
There, the sky was white, with no discernible ups and downs or left and right. In this mysterious world, where it is not clear whether you are standing or floating, the white continues forever.
"What is this place ------?"
In response to Sasha's question, Misha gave no response.
""In the lunar eclipse of Genesis." The celestial sphere of creation looks down on the world."
The white world at my feet is melting away. Like snow, gentle and soft.
And then, below us, we see the earth, which has been destroyed in four pieces, and the divine world, which is on the verge of collapse.
The lunar eclipse of Genso is now rising in both the divine world and the earthly sky. We are looking down on both from within.
Well here it's stated that white space gives bird view of whole world including Mortal world and Azure sky of gods which has countless realms of 4D structure. Also it's stated all exist within that white sky.
世界中の人々が、 赤銀に輝く月蝕を見上げている。
皆、誇らしげで、 優しく、 愛に溢れた顔をしていた。
「最後の仕上げだ。 <源創の月蝕> が、 新たな世界を創造する。 <運命 の歯車>はもういらぬ。 絶望や理不尽は沢山だ。 次の世界は、ここに生 きる人々すべての愛と優しさにて生まれ変わり､ そして希望とともに回 り始める。 世界をエクエスの支配から解放し、お前たち一人一人が形創 るのだ」
地響きがした。
優しく､温かく、 どこまでも遠くへ伝わる
-それは世界の胎動だっ
た。
「さあ、歌え。 新しい世界の夜明けだ」
音楽が流れ始める。
優しい歌声とともに、世界中から、純白の光が立ち上っていく。
それは四つに分断された大地をつなげるように､ 幾本もの橋をかけ、 世界中を包み込む。
赤と銀の光が、 優しく差し込んだ。
ラー・センシア アーティエルトノアの月明かりがく想司総愛> と混ざり、なにもかも が愛と優しさで生まれ変わる。
取り戻した無数の火露が､ 蛍のように輝き出した。
ラー・センシア
<想司総愛>の白き光が、 火露をそっと包み込む。
それらは新しい秩序を創っていく。
最初に生まれた生命は、 樹理四神。 生誕神ウェンゼル、 深化神ディルフレッド、 終焉神アナヘム、 転変神 ギェテナロス。
彼らは目映い光に包まれながら、次々と生まれ変わる無数の神々たち とともに､新しい神界へと帰っていく。
「今度はもっと優しい世界に」
ミーシャが言った。
「今度はもっと笑顔の世界に」
サーシャが言った。
俺とレイは視線を交わし、 笑みを交わして、互いが手にした真白の剣
を重ね合う。 ラー・センシア。 <想司総愛>の光が一段と大きく瞬き、 すべてが創世の光にて生まれ 変わる。
この世界が、 転生していくのだ。
緑溢れる大地と、青々とした海が見えた。 夜が明けるように、 太陽が昇っていく。
歌が聞こえた。
おれたち 平和を示す、 世界の歌が。

People all over the world were looking up at the reddish silver lunar eclipse.
They all have proud, kind, loving faces.
"The final touch. The lunar eclipse of creation will create a new world. No more gears of fate. No more despair and unreason. The next world will be reborn with the love and kindness of all who live here, and it will begin to turn with hope. Free the world from Eques' grip, and let each of you shape it!"
The earth rumbled.
Gentle, warm, and far-reaching.
-It was the world in its infancy.
It was the world's first movement.
"Sing, sing. It's the dawn of a new world."
The music begins to flow.
A pure white light rises from all over the world with a gentle voice.
It encompassed the whole world, building bridges to connect the four divided lands.
The red and silver light gently shone through.
The moonlight of Ra Sensia Artielt Noah mingled with Souji So-Ai, and everything was reborn with love and kindness.
The countless dewdrops of fire that had been restored shone like fireflies.
Ra Sensia
The white light of Souji So-Ai gently envelops the fire dew.
They are creating a new order.
The first life to be born was the Four Arboreal Gods. Wenzel, the god of birth; Dirfred, the god of deepening; Anahem, the god of termination; and Gyetenaros, the god of transmutation.
They return to the new world of the gods with the countless gods who are reborn one after another, enveloped in a dazzling light.
"This time to a kinder world."
Misha said.
"This time to a world with more smiles."
Sasha said.
Ray and I looked at each other, smiled at each other, and laid our white swords in each other's hands on top of each other.
We both held the white sword in our hands, and we both smiled at each other. Ra Senshia. The light of Souji Souai blinks more brightly, and everything is reborn with the light of creation.
This world is reborn.
I could see the green earth and the verdant sea. The sun was rising like the dawn.
I heard a song.
The song of the world, a song of peace for us all.
Here it even confirms after Misha recreates the world all gods who existed in Azure sky of gods came to exist inside the world which militia created.

Well All I have to say is

  1. Outside view of bubble world infinite size
  2. Everything should exist Inside the bubble
  3. Inside there is an white sky/space/higher D which exists above real Militia world
  4. Inside Militia world there is mortal world and gods world(Azure sky of gods)
  5. Azure Sky of gods contains countless realms of 4D structure.

I'm currently confused about the scale for this structure. I don't know if white sky they are in can be considered as higher dimensional or not.
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All exist inside bubble world Misha re-created it from white void or whatever you call it. There is nowhere stated those realms exist inside another 4D construct. That's just headcanon. Azure sky of gods is god's world which can be higher D space mortals can't enter the gods world. Gods even looks down on mortal world like a play.
 
Pain_to12 said:
I really dont know what to tell you, I have said it too many times already, a universal size construct would always be 4D, as it has past, present and fututre.
But its destruction can be 3A, High3A or low2C.
low 2C is just a description of such destruction.
and again a 4D construct can contain another 4D construct.
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What the hell are you trying to say here? Several proofs have already been shown that the shrines are space-time continuum, so why is it not qualified? If it proves that the shrines are space-time continuum, it is not necessary to prove that the blue sky of the gods is 4D, if it contains 4D structures it is also 4D.
 
Dog3352 said:
What the hell are you trying to say here? Several proofs have already been shown that the shrines are space-time continuum, so why is it not qualified? If it proves that the shrines are space-time continuum, it is not necessary to prove that the blue sky of the gods is 4D, if it contains 4D structures it is also 4D.
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All the shrines that have their size revealed in the Web Novel are described as "endless" "infinite" and the world of Naphtha which is described as being "another form of the world" which is infinite in size, and all shrines are described as microcosms, I'm still trying to understand what's missing, proofs of shrines being continuous space-times have already been demonstrated, proofs that shrines have infinite size, and that would be for everyone since shrines are just microcosms of the world, what's missing, the author come and invade your house and say: "The damn sanctuaries are Low 2-C structure"? Or do you want a drawing? I am REALLY trying to understand what it takes for you to accept that worlds are 2-B.
 
As I said before, it should be more specific, I reread all the comments before we even had this conversation and I can say with complete clarity that there is nothing here refute the bubble world being up to at least 2B, and when it was "refuted" it was by a horrible text interpretation, thinking that the World of Nafta was practically a kind of reflection of the future of the militia world, and the interpretation of the trace world thinking that it was a reflection of the past of the militia world, which is more or less like this , but both have already been proven not to be so, both by me and by Nightmare_Bloodfallen and even maybe by other people.
 
Then you certainly did not read the arguments show me where anyone said anything not about Nafta being a reflection of the militia world

Edit: don’t even bother, this thread is over anyway
 
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Indeed, they aren't the actual past and futures, but reflections of them. They don't hold entire timelines because that's an intrinsic property of Divine Sanctuaries, they contain copies of part of the timelines because that is the the purpose of those specific Sanctuaries.
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As stated in the novel, everything in the world, from the beginning of time 700 million years ago to the present moment, is contained in the Land of Traces, as traces. Traces are the "indestructible" and "immortal" past of all things, and are described as "indestructible" and "immortal" because you cannot destroy a trace by simply destroying it in the present, and would have to destroy it throughout its entire past to truly destroy it. This is supported by the fact that Anos needed "world-destroying" power to destroy traces.
The size of the Land of Traces is large enough to repeat the current 700 million years worth of traces a hundred times. In other words, the Land of Traces is large enough to contain 70 billion years worth of traces. The only way to destroy the Land of Traces is to exceed its overall capacity and carve a trace larger than 70 billion years.
The Land of Traces quite literally contains the entire past of the world, more specifically it currently contains 700 million years sections of the Militia World timeline and is capable of containing a 70 billion years section of the Militia World timeline.
The Land of Traces would definitely be rated as either High 3-A or (unquantifiably below baseline) Low 2-C in sheer size.

Those are the only things that disprove the world as at least 2B, and neither of them makes sense, the first one says about the trace world mirroring the world's past, and destroying it would destroy the militia world's past, and the same thing from the world of the future, but obviously talking about the future, the world of the future was already accepted as Low 2-C or even higher, so it is useless to talk about it, and say that the world of traces is not Low 2-C because simply not mentioning the future in it is not enough to say that the world of dashes is not Low 2-C, both "rebuttals" are inconsistent and one and by a bad interpretation of text, imZer0Null himself agreed that if they had proof that the sanctuaries are space-time continuum (which has already been proven) he would agree with the bubble world being 2-B, if the topic is over and because of nagecist people, because almost everyone agreed with the bubble world being 2A, and the topic that imZer0Null brought to us refutes 2A to 2B, and i agree with him.
 
So should I close this thread, or should anything be applied to any Maou Gakuin pages based on this discussion first?
 
Null concludes that each bubble should be rated Low 2-C as it is.

and Elizaa objected to 2B's proposal. 2-B looks blurry and he'll be fine with no changes.

seeing what happened, i conclude that it will be fine without any changes until the time to come with really strong evidence

also, it seems that people are tired of this
 
LutfiZg said:
Null concludes that each bubble should be rated Low 2-C as it is.

and Elizaa objected to 2B's proposal. 2-B looks blurry and he'll be fine with no changes.

seeing what happened, i conclude that it will be fine without any changes until the time to come with really strong evidence

also, it seems that people are tired of this
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Yeah. Lets wait for MGF verse to become outerversal then we can say that's universal 👌 great. I guess 2C even wank let's downgrade it to high uni.
 
Antvasima said:
You cannot expect to always get what you want in all revision threads, especially if the evidence is deemed to not be strong enough for drastic upgrades.
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Yes understand that but the problem is two staff evaluated it and just rejected saying they don't wanna believe it. Like even having 4 different space time continuum already makes it low multi. There are countless realms like that which would atleast make that 2B possibly 2A for bubble world being infinite. Also Null compared shield hero to MGF both has different cosmology I don't see how that relates to this thread.

Anyway sorry I didn't mean it anything offensive.
 
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