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I'm asking about the dimensional cosmology prior to the Morrison Map during World's Funnest.
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Mister Mxyzptlk Rework... or how I learned to spell his name
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Well, at that point Morrison had only established the 5th Dimension as being two degrees of infinity above regular 3-D beings. It seemed to be purely geometric in "Crisis Times Five" in the year 1998 or so, before "World's Funnest" was released in the year 2000.
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I am sorry but your messages comes off as hella confusing. So if I understand you correctly; pre crisis cosmology was 2-A. Fourth world existed but I don't think it was established as a low 1c structure. Mxy destroyed the 2a structure. That's it.
On top of that, before Morrison took over, the only thing we knew about mxy's dimension was that it was a higher space-time, but that was changed soon after Morrison took over.
On top of that, before Morrison took over, the only thing we knew about mxy's dimension was that it was a higher space-time, but that was changed soon after Morrison took over.
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I see. So to clarify, destroying the 5th Dimension in Worlds Funnest wouldn't count toward Low 1-C since it hasn't been established as transcendent at the time.
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Except he only destroyed his version of those dimensions which aren't higher Dimensions?
Tl;Dr:
Tl;Dr:
- Mxy destroyed the universes one by one
- Then destroyed the multiverse and his versions of higher dimensions.
- He didn't even affect the fourth world
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Again, the problem is that the higher dimensions were defined as higher infinities in DC Comics two years before that happened, and this story involved the Post-Crisis setting as well, and would involve lots of retroactive backscaling. As such, I am still uneasy with using it.
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Okay, let's do this again. In order
- He destroys the pre crisis earth
- travels to the """real world""
- destroys the dimensions
- Then after that he goes to the fourth world - he only destroyed higher dimensions that were present in pre-crisis era, which weren't transcendent. In addition, he just beats darkseid and doesn't seem to be effecting the fourth world
- Goes to superfriends
- Then dark knights by miller
- Then post crisis - and just destroys the universe, nothing indicates he destroyed higher dimensions. at all
- goes back to crisis and messes with the heroes
- Then some other pre and golden realities
- Then kingdom come
- and then literally says this. just destroyed the universe, and nothing more.
- and then brings it back
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Okay. I suppose that makes better sense. The remaining problem is that we do not know for certain if we should consider this version of the Mxyzptlk character as a composite (as was more explicitly established several years later) or not.
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i will come back to that later. We should probably discuss Mxy's current key's AP. that one is far more important.
My proposal:
Therefore, I think putting him outright at high 1-c would solve his AP problem right now. And he was going to unimagine everything until the 6th dimension, which is beyond the source wall. so that's another high 1-c feat. this is the first time we have seen mxy unleash this much power, and prior feats don't contradict it.
My proposal:
- Fifth dimension becomes a high 1-c structure because of what Snyder established in JL Vol 4 19
- Mxy and Bat-mite scales to his 11d cosmology, if not higher. Batmite and mxy are the strongest of their race
- his 6d feats comes from emperor joker with 99% of his power and did it extremely casually. and from the way the story implied, he neither knew about higher dimensions nor it seemed like he was interested in it.
- his 5-d stuff comes from the fact that... he is a fifth-dimensional entity who sees the lower worlds as fiction.
Therefore, I think putting him outright at high 1-c would solve his AP problem right now. And he was going to unimagine everything until the 6th dimension, which is beyond the source wall. so that's another high 1-c feat. this is the first time we have seen mxy unleash this much power, and prior feats don't contradict it.
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I don't see why his reality warping wouldn't scale to his physicals, he effortlessly can do those tier 1 stuff, so the energy output of his physicals has to be comparable. Those would just be high ends for Superman, and Superman was more consistently getting shit on by Emperor Joker
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please read what I proposed just now.
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And why do you think Mxy lowers his speed for no reason when hes 3D? Thats an arbitrary assumption
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And you do realise the pre crisis one is Mxyzpltk, not Mxyzptlk right? They fused in post crisis. I think Mxyzpltk should get his own profile
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He should be immeasurable in all keys unless he lowers his power, which is something he likes doing when ******* around, as shown in Superman : The Man of Steel Vol 1 75 where he power nulled himself
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And I know my last comment sounds stupid as hell, but yeah, Mxyzpltk was originally different from Mxyzptlk
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i am well aware, but that was retconed in 2005-ish and then again 2016. making them all the same entity.
i mean... if I am going to merge his stats in the last key, wouldn't that mean I am also merging his speed key??
if I don't merge the keys, he just upscales from superman. He just holds back on his powers. that's just basic.
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Was it a "retcon" or did they just fuse? This shit is so confusing
So is the sandbox you have in the OP updated with that?
So is the sandbox you have in the OP updated with that?
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retcon
not yet since no one has commented on the proposed changes for his final key. we have been going in circles with the world funnest stuff
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his last key. to merge all stats to high 1-c
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Bump for this ^
By default, this will also increase his durability and stuff. Speed is something else tho.
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for warping the reality of the sphere of gods, which is at least 6-d. On top of that, he defeated high father and them lot in their own dimension.
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What you meant with "Fuse" was this i presume & retcon for @Confluctor , were these i'm supposing, right?
Since the Super Friends, Lego & DCAU Mxy are shown when he says every versionof himself are the same being should the powers he showed in those media be included aswell?
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Okay. That seems fine then, but we might have to split up his statistics depending on the different cosmologies later.
I suppose so, for his current composite version that is.
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eh, I don't really think its necessary to do that for Mxy. from what I have read in mxy's own adventures, it doesn't seem contradictory.
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aye, but it was considered an infinitely superior structure. so, this is basically adding stuff to it
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can't remember the conceptual stuff, but it has been a higher infinity since start of post crisis from what i have read.
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for the fourth world and above? not on me rn
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Someone should research the other versions of Mxy, make profiles for them, then we can add "Has the powers of DCAU Mxy, Arrowverse Mxy..." etc.
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If you want, go ahead, by all means. but no way I am watching those shitty shows just for him
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Okay. Maybe we should consider Emperor Joker to just be Low 1-C/5-D then?
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