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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Matthew_Schroeder said:
Golden Sperm should scale to Homeless Emperor's big energy sphere. Atomic Samurai's slashes only did superficial cuts to his skin and Atomic had to put more effort to actually penetrate his arm, whereas Homeless' sphere was decimated.

I believe this is uncontroversial. This would also scale to Diamond Sperm, Garou and Flashy Flash.
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Please feel free to create a CRT that scales the Sun Blade to fully High 7-A, and then mention everyone who should also scale.

I will gladly support the changes.
 
I could see them get a possibly High 7-A or at most High 7-A for somewhat hurting Flashy Flash who was holding back and purposely luring them in but nothing more than that. After all it’s not like anybody scales to them after the redraw.
 

Peter1129 said:
I could see them get a possibly High 7-A or at most High 7-A for somewhat hurting Flashy Flash who was holding back and purposely luring them in but nothing more than that. After all it’s not like anybody scales to them after the redraw.
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definitely an outlier. they shouldn't scale at all. imagine putting them on the same level as Platinum Sperm
 
@Phoenks I mean you can’t just call it an outlier when they scale to no one but Flashy Flash. Not to mention at most kind of fits the bill for the ninjas upper limits. Like we did already know that the ninjas in their human form are already on the higher spectrum of demon with them casually playing around with Sonic and surviving Brave Giant‘s electric shock with barely any visible injuries in the redraw. So is it really hard to believe that their monster form are also on the upper echelon of dragons? But yeah personally I’m fine with the ninjas getting an At most High 7-A rating for causing light damage to Flashy Flash.

At most​

Should be used to denote the higher cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate.

Edit: Also that reminds me the lake vaporization durability needs to be removed from their profile as that feat no longer exist after the redraw.
 
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I just read the newest chapter, and remembered a post i made, mostly joking, in December about what the shadow was in the alter at the end of the other chapter
Apeironaxim said:
plot twist, it's Ancient Centipede, Elder Centipede's ancestor who has been sleeping for thousands of years, and has been awoken from all this shit happening
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I didn't expect i'd be basically spot on lmao
 
Therefir said:
I think we need one. The Sun Blade should be "High 7-A" or at the very least "likely High 7-A", I don't like the way we are downscaling the blade, it makes it look like anyone could destroy HE's strongest attack if they just hit it enough times.

I also don't think it was Murata's intention to make the Sun Blade exactly 36 times weaker than the energy sphere, on the contrary, it was to make it look stronger, considering that the sphere was obliterated to such an extent that it didn't cause any damage to the surroundings.
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Oh boy, here we go again. I support you but with ByAsura's logic Atomic Samurai has to use less energy to cut the orb than destroy it completely. With this amazing logic we can have 7 C characters defeat 7 As if they are fast enough when in theory they shouldn't even be able to hurt them. Another piece of logic used is that we don't know that the orb's durability scales to its full power. Yes, that may be true but, BUT, it's durability shouldn't be SOOOO low that it can be broken by an attack 35 TIMES WEAKER.
 
@Matthew_Schroeder Flash has always been portrayed as incredibly strong even in the webcomic. Like why else was he always taken out of the story with Saitama until the climax of the MA Arc?

I feel like all this Flash shouldn’t be strong thinking came from people believing that the heroes mostly only specialize in one thing like Darkshine with his defense and Flash with his speed. But as it turns out this thinking was clearly wrong and Flash is outright shown to be superior in stat to every other hero barring the big four.

Also they wouldn’t even be on the same lvl as Platinum Sperm. Like there’s also multiple lvls in the tier they scale to. The High 7-A scaling starts from Homeless Emperor and the ninjas downscale from the High 7-As so they wouldn’t even be on Platinum Sperm’s lvl at all based on scaling.

Platinum Sperm > Flashy Flash > Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade >= Golden Sperm > Homeless Emperor = 2.4 Gigatons

Actually wait. Since Homeless Emperor’s strongest energy orb is 2.4 Gigatons and Golden Sperm scales above him for being able to block Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade who can easily destroy his orb. Wouldn’t this mean Golden Sperm could upscale to High 7-A+ since it starts at 2.65 Gigatons. Like the tiers could look like this

At least High 7-A+: Platinum Sperm, Peak Half-Monster? (Or is it Awakened now) Garou

High 7-A+: Flashy Flash, Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade, Golden Sperm

High 7-A: Homeless Emperor Max Firepower

At most High 7-A: Monster Form Ninjas
 
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Peter1129 said:
Actually wait. Since Homeless Emperor’s strongest energy orb is 2.4 Gigatons and Golden Sperm scales above him for being able to block Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade who can easily destroy his orb. Wouldn’t this mean Golden Sperm could upscale to High 7-A+ since it starts at 2.65 Gigatons. Like the tiers could look like this

At least High 7-A+: Platinum Sperm, Peak Half-Monster? (Or is it Awakened now) Garou

High 7-A+: Flashy Flash, Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade, Golden Sperm

High 7-A: Homeless Emperor Max Firepower

At most High 7-A: Monster Form Ninjas
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Not sure about giving Platinum and Garou an ‘At least’ rating, especially since Flash could harm Platinum even after he started losing his cool, and the ninjas should just downscale to High 7-A if Flash is High 7-A+, but aside from that, this looks good to me.
 
Well Platinum Sperm and Garou were both shown to be superior to Flashy Flash and were still holding back in terms of speed at least. So I do think they should be able to get an at least for being stronger than Flashy Flash who should either be comparable or stronger than Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade.

So instead of At most High 7-A the ninjas should just be baseline High 7-A right? Yeah that could work.
 
LordTracer said:
Not sure about giving Platinum and Garou an ‘At least’ rating, and the ninjas should just downscale to High 7-A if Flash is High 7-A+, but aside from that, this looks good to me.
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Yeah this.

Also I should point out Garou did believe Flash could beat him prior to transforming in the webcomic while Golden cum couldn't. What is with this stupid ideology that speedsters are physically weak lol. Flash has always been superior to Darkshine and I will die by this.
 
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Peter1129 said:
Well Platinum Sperm and Garou were both shown to be superior to Flashy Flash and were still holding back in terms of speed at least. So I do think they should be able to get an at least for being stronger than Flashy Flash who should either be comparable or stronger than Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade.
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Were they holding back? I thought they were growing faster and faster?
 
Pretty sure the growing even faster was only limited to Garou. Platinum Sperm and Garou accelerating was clearly the story trying to show that they were still holding back and that they only used their full speed after Flash was taken out. But even then Garou managed to accelerate past Platinum Sperm’s max speed and defeat him.
 
Peter1129 said:
Well Platinum Sperm and Garou were both shown to be superior to Flashy Flash and were still holding back in terms of speed at least. So I do think they should be able to get an at least for being stronger than Flashy Flash who should either be comparable or stronger than Atomic Samurai w/ Sun Blade.
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I don’t think they were stated to be holding back, they just accelerated in speed after Flash was out of the fight. That doesn’t imply they were holding back their strength. So I don’t think Platinum is superior enough to get an At least. Garou is a bit different since he obliterated Platinum at the end.
 
LordTracer said:
I don’t think they were stated to be holding back, they just accelerated in speed after Flash was out of the fight. That doesn’t imply they were holding back their strength. So I don’t think Platinum is superior enough to get an At least. Garou is a bit different since he obliterated Platinum at the end.
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Do you think Garou just grew stronger? Or did he use some sorta technique.

Or is this one of those final finishing moves often seen in fiction?
 
ImposingTiger said:
No, it wasn't, you didn't even address it properly.

No, she did it while spamming attacks, they are not the same.
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Yet you still haven’t proven that her spamming attacks magically makes the beams slower.

She isn’t a dragon ball character. She doesn’t need to charge her attack for 20 minutes.
 
If Flashy Flash is High 7-A, should that scale Elder Centipede to High 7-A because Psykos never mentioned Flashy Flash as one of the heroes capable of beating Elder Centipede?
 
Also I should point out one of the things that make elder centipede so dangerous is his reactive evolution, size and regen.

For example, guys like Darkshine would have a hard time destroying the entirety of EC due to how massive he is, and Darkshine has poor AOE attacks. Secondly, any damage done would either be regenerated or EC would just grow stronger. Likely to the point where Darkshine can't harm him anymore. As we see in the EC vs bang and bomb fight.
 
Tbh, it's why I think guys like Flash would at best stalemate EC.

Flash may be stronger, but his attacks have really poor AOE, EC can just regenerate from anything Flash throws at him and then grow stronger and stronger.
 
True, but then again, Bang and Bomb are kinda faster than EC is. Yet EC can evolve further.

Unless Flash can cut up the entirety of EC before he can regen.

Also the fact Flash is worried about being pressed in the fight against Platinum nut and Garou implies he's never been pushed to use his absolute best. Just pointing that out.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also the fact Flash is worried about being pressed in the fight against Platinum nut and Garou implies he's never been pushed to use his absolute best. Just pointing that out.
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Which supports the idea that Hellfire and Gale shouldn’t fully scale to him, and should only downscale.
 
King said:
Oh boy, here we go again. I support you but with ByAsura's logic Atomic Samurai has to use less energy to cut the orb than destroy it completely. With this amazing logic we can have 7 C characters defeat 7 As if they are fast enough when in theory they shouldn't even be able to hurt them. Another piece of logic used is that we don't know that the orb's durability scales to its full power. Yes, that may be true but, BUT, it's durability shouldn't be SOOOO low that it can be broken by an attack 35 TIMES WEAKER.
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Oh boy, the 15 millionth absolutely ridiculous non-sensical straw man of my points that I have to deal with from you.

My guy, this is an energy orb that tends to explode on impact. All of the energy is released by it at once. The energy released is not the equivalent to harming someone, it's the equivalent to obliterating someone completely, unless you consider obliterating someone to be their actual durability. And he did it with 35 blows.

I have said this more times than I can count, but you still keep this charade going even after you admitted earlier in the thread that the durability to cut it vs exploding it is lower, but not far lower in your opinion. This is why I've stopped arguing with you.

Honestly, I've already given you people the benefit of the doubt that this explosion is just as powerful as the one launched against Child Emperor, even though it's like 30% smaller by pixel-scaling.
Whiz_Almighty said:
If Flashy Flash is High 7-A, should that scale Elder Centipede to High 7-A because Psykos never mentioned Flashy Flash as one of the heroes capable of beating Elder Centipede?
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Even if this baseless scaling does get through, Psykos was wrong about the heroes' strength levels.

Bang and Bomb's base forms alone could deal with EC, while Flashy Flash was capable of taking hits from Garou after he evolved from his fight with Awakened Bang.
Therefir said:
I think we need one. The Sun Blade should be "High 7-A" or at the very least "likely High 7-A", I don't like the way we are downscaling the blade, it makes it look like anyone could destroy HE's strongest attack if they just hit it enough times.
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But that's what happened.
Therefir said:
I also don't think it was Murata's intention to make the Sun Blade exactly 36 times weaker than the energy sphere, on the contrary, it was to make it look stronger, considering that the sphere was obliterated to such an extent that it didn't cause any damage to the surroundings.
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It didn't cause any damage after he hit it 35 times. It's still the exact same problem.
Matthew_Schroeder said:
Golden Sperm should scale to Homeless Emperor's big energy sphere. Atomic Samurai's slashes only did superficial cuts to his skin and Atomic had to put more effort to actually penetrate his arm, whereas Homeless' sphere was decimated.
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You're assuming a portion of the entire sphere/the durability of the sphere scales to all of the energy it releases upon exploding. It's not like GS' durability scales to the combined hits, he's just durable enough that individual blows don't do much damage.

This is like saying a blob of tungsten is more durable than an entire steel wall because it took 35 blows to shred the wall, while they can't cut through the tungsten.
 
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Ourosboros said:
Looks like a technique to me, I'm not sure what the weird swimming stance is if not Garou doing something like vibrating through platinum at superspeed or something like that.

Besides, Garou just punched him a second before that and although it screwed up Platinum it didn't explode him.
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Probably not since characters tend to list their attacks when they're performing a specific technique.
 
This pic goes hard. Feel free to screenshot

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Hey guys, I've got a few possible minor additions in mind for some heroes, wanted to see what everyone thinks about the more questionable ones.

First up is for Mumen Rider: I think he should have Supernatural Willpower and/or Pain Resistance for all the times he's fearlessly stood up against all odds and tried to defeat opponents stronger than him, and endured beatings for it. (Examples: 1 (Pages 9-23), 2, 3, and the databook contains a couple statements to support this.) Looking at the page for Supernatural Willpower I'm not SURE that he would qualify for it, but I do think he should at least get Resistance to Pain. He has a very high pain tolerance, and even when he's hurt, he's always willing to give his all, right up until he can't move any more.

Then there's two for Zombieman: I think it would make sense for him to have Stealth Mastery on his profile. To be honest, I thought he had it before. He's highly proficient in undercover work, he says this himself and has to some level shown it. (Examples: 1, 2, 3)
There's also Social Influencing. On the page for it, it says its uses include buying time and obtaining important information, which is exactly what Zombieman has done before. (Example: 1 (Pages 57-66), in which he makes clear at the end that this was his tactic) I'd understand if this isn't enough for him to get that, though, since Homeless Emperor seems pretty willing to divulge information about his powers, Zombieman didn't manage to keep the conversation going as long as he wanted, and there's not any other shown instances of something similar from Zombieman at the moment, but I still thought this might be worth bringing up.

Bushidrill: Bushidrill should get Underground Mobility, he has shown the ability to drill underground and attack that way with his sword. (Example: 1)
Something I am more uncertain about, but I think there may be reason for, is some Air Manipulation. He has shown the ability to produce shockwaves or something of the sort that pierce the target with his sword, on a few occasions, and the databook states that he "Makes air holes in his prey with drill-like thrusts". (Examples: 1, 2, 3)
I find it a little weird that he's capable of doing this, and yet refers to Okamaitachi's Air Blade as a "divine technique that's impossible to replicate", but I think that might just refer to the fact that Okama can actually create blade-like slashes through the air, whereas Bushi just has forceful piercing thrusts.

Saitama: This one is pretty rough, because it's relying only on both a bonus chapter and the databook, but, it could be possible to give Saitama (Post-Training) Resistance to Acid. In chapter 29.5, Saitama (off-screen) defeated a monster, which the databook states has a body that secretes a powerful acid on the surface, and touching it carelessly would be like getting dragged into hell. It's not ever really shown, though, so it's kind of shaky with nothing else backing this up. But, as far as I know, there's nothing that would really outright prove it to be false. It still may not be strong enough evidence to use on its own though.

What do you guys think? Also sorry if any of these have already been brought up before and decided against in the past. (Also x2, sorry if any of the imgur links have the images in the wrong order, I've been having a problem with that lately.)
 
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