Darksmash
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Oh I see. My bad
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When Creators Cry: Answer Arcs (Yes, it's a downgrade)
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Honestly this should be done
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You can ask in PM or on discord if you want. I'm not really planning to make any big threads after this one.
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Unlikely. Ryushiki07 separates the two and Erika's statement referred to witches above Bern n Lambda.
Bernkastel possibly also be a Great Witch?
Although it would confirm them rather being 1-B than High 1-B if it was the case.
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Nah. Her or Lambda being a Great Witch would likely make the latter lose their possibly High 1-B to begin with actually.
So Bernkastel still not High 1-B in this case?
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Also one weird thing I realized from the start of Episode 7...
It says that W.H. Williard is unable to leave the Chapel if he doesn't solve the mystery in Bernkastel's gameboard.
And the way she trapped everyone there was by separating the Chapel from the Fragment and trap it in a Time bubble.
W.H Williard is stated on his profile to have Immeasurable speed in higher layers of the Human Domain... shouldn't this mean that he should not be affected by this time bubble of hers in the first place and be able to leave whenever he wants.
Or Immeasurable speed characters are actually still able to be trapped by Time bubbles since they haven't completely transcend the concept of time yet, and they merely are able to move freely to whatever point of time they want, but since the Time bubble is an unbreakable time loop, they would still end up going in circles if they were to try to escape.
It says that W.H. Williard is unable to leave the Chapel if he doesn't solve the mystery in Bernkastel's gameboard.
And the way she trapped everyone there was by separating the Chapel from the Fragment and trap it in a Time bubble.
W.H Williard is stated on his profile to have Immeasurable speed in higher layers of the Human Domain... shouldn't this mean that he should not be affected by this time bubble of hers in the first place and be able to leave whenever he wants.
Or Immeasurable speed characters are actually still able to be trapped by Time bubbles since they haven't completely transcend the concept of time yet, and they merely are able to move freely to whatever point of time they want, but since the Time bubble is an unbreakable time loop, they would still end up going in circles if they were to try to escape.
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Well it technically is one of the countless reasons why Immeasurable speed is just a make-up invention made to wank anything related to time travel.
But otherwise it's likely that since Bern is above Will n coe, her time bubble is just stronger than what he can cross.
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This. Lambda and Bern's status as witches who are still climbing the ladder makes any notion of High 1-B borderline impossible.
Considering each layer contains the entire time of lower universes in the Kakeras it logically follows that each layer has its own time. Hence they might transcend the time of the lower layers while still being bound by the time of higher layers. It shouldn't even be something that needs to be explained. Almost no character in fiction can transcend the concept of time literally, since you cannot describe most forms of change without indirectly alluding to the conception of time in some form, no matter how much you claim it's "time beyond the concept of time".
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I think you misunderstood my question, which Yuri has already answered for me.
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I understood kakera each having their own time depending on their layer. But in this instance, Williard manifested in bernkastel's gameboard, and was affected by Bernkastel's Time Bubble on her game, which made me question it since Williard should not be affected by it since he should exist on a higher dimension than the gameboard and isn't one of the Pieces on the gameboard, similar to how Battler was able to fight Dlanor in "frozen time" because they existed on a higher dimension.
Williard was affected by the time bubble in this kakera despite being from a higher dimension, something which was inconsistent with the feat that Battler showed in Episode 5.
Yuri's explanation of Bern having higher power over him, hence her "time" being superior to his ability was an explanation that sounds sorta reasonable, which I think I can accept.
The rest of your post talking about how fictional characters and how they "relate to time" was unrelated to my question and hence didn't answer my question in anyway.
Williard was affected by the time bubble in this kakera despite being from a higher dimension, something which was inconsistent with the feat that Battler showed in Episode 5.
Yuri's explanation of Bern having higher power over him, hence her "time" being superior to his ability was an explanation that sounds sorta reasonable, which I think I can accept.
The rest of your post talking about how fictional characters and how they "relate to time" was unrelated to my question and hence didn't answer my question in anyway.
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Isn't this infinite speed?
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I asked this question before here:
And I think the reply was that this feat indeed is something up to debate, if it should be Immeasurable or Infinite.
Since Battler's profile currently listed the feat as Immeasurable, I questioned Williard being affected by the Time Bubble with the same logic.
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I think I understood it.
That was the point though. What I meant to say was that since there are layers of time he can transcend time upto a degree and be affected by some higher time. Alternatively as Yuri said it could also be that his ability was just powernulled(I am pretty sure Bern would be capable of something like that) in the same layer of time.
Ahh I apologise for that. I still get PTSD about the time when I talked about this topic with some CSaP users so I go overboard sometimes.
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You're also in CSAP?
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I am in their discord server.(inb4 kick)
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It's not really what I meant. Just that it was kinda a higher D time stop n "Immeasurable bad" rant N°573.
Tho I would imagine that the actual thing is more related to how they adapt to the world they are in
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Naa(not yet)
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I was as well. Then I got banned from another server with them smfh
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So once battler becomes 1B he would still be immeasurable right? Cause I saw a scan stated he was faster than the concept of speed and distance.
I see.
They've got another?
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Surfbone’s server
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That one was hyperbolic, and that would only be infinite speed. At least, on its own
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Actually would be Infinite
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Meh, that just seems like a hyperbolic way of saying that they’re fast, at least with how they showed it. Infinite to immeasurable works ig
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Tbh I am pretty sure that scan is hyperbolic
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90% sure that it is
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You've got a link?
Doesn't seem so besides faster than the concept of speed and distance grants immeasurable.
I don't think so.
Only @Lormac_CC stated he can.
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It is. It's like, not a debate to begin with. It just doesn't grant Immeasurable.
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