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I know it's an imperbole but being faster than concept of speed and distance is meant to be immesurable speed.
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Time travel via sheer speed isn't the only thing that grants immeasurable though.Currently we have "faster than infinity" speed dudes below Immeasurable.
Also no, transcending distance doesn't make you time travel. Not usually at least.
It’s not requiredTime travel via sheer speed isn't the only thing that grants immeasurable though.
?It’s not required
You don't need an explicit feat of travelling through time with speed to have immeasurable speed.
It depends.finally, unimeko will be downgraded. I always thought the ratings were finicky
That doesn't seem to be speed, tho...that just seems to be as a result of his rewriting abilities.GM Battler could literally rewrite the story to give Piece Erika duct tapes in an earlier time in the physical world.
That isn't how Immeasurable speed is givenHe can rewrite the Plot of his gameboard whenever he wants to, which directly changes Time on it.
Meh, if it were hyperbole, it wouldn't even be infinite speed.This feat that everyone saying is a Hyperbole and complained that it should be Infinite Speed, everyone forgot that this was casually done in the Cathedral, which was several dimensions above the gameboard
The characters were fighting with Infinite Speed in a place with much much higher dimension and layer of existence than the physical world, making them being Immeasurable speed consistent.
She isn't doing this with her actual speed, tho. It's just time manipulation. You're mistaking time manipulation with Immeasurable speed.Game Master Lambdadelta was also able to shift the time of the gameboard of Episode 5 freely between the finale and the beginning for Battler's sake, this is also another Immeasurable Speed feat.
I thought transcending time wasn't enough for an immeasurable speed rating, but I'll try checking the FAQKakeras contain the entire story of the lower layers, which means their time as well. So all meta beings should have immeasurable speed by virtue of transcending time ig
so you have immeasurable speed via transcending time now?I thought transcending time wasn't enough for an immeasurable speed rating, but I'll try checking the FAQ
Edit: Just checked, and yeah I'm fine with Immeasurable speed being there
Nah, I just misinterpreted the argument that Darksmash made.so you have immeasurable speed via transcending time now?
No irs bad. Immeasurable speed is basically another name for time travel wank.Immeasurable speed is good, because it allows characters to punch their opponent's dad in the balls just by moving fast enough that their fist time travels
He transcended physical world time completely to the point he can toy with it.That doesn't seem to be speed, tho...that just seems to be as a result of his rewriting abilities.
That isn't how Immeasurable speed is given
Let me have characters that walk back and forth in timeNo irs bad. Immeasurable speed is basically another name for time travel wank.
That isn't how immeasurable speed works.He trascended physical world time completely to the point he can toy with it.
That's easily Immeasurable speed.
You didn't understand my point. What I meant is that time manipulation cannot be the foundation for an immeasurable speed argument.Time manipulation doesn't contradict speed feats btw, Hunter Zolomon from DC is Infinite Speed even when he achieved it with Time manipulation.
Completely transcending physical world time to the point he views it as fiction is at least Immeasurable speed.That isn't how immeasurable speed works.
You didn't understand my point. What I meant is that time manipulation cannot be the foundation for an immeasurable speed argument.
Anyway, I already agreed with immeasurable speed for Battler and other characters, so we might as well settle the topic
That has never once been immeasurable speed. No verse gets immeasurable speed through such shallow reasoning.Completely transcending physical world speed to the point he views it as fiction is at least Immeasurable.
Irrelevant. Him transcending the world and being able to manipulate time doesn't grant any kind of speed rating if he's not doing any of that time stuff with his raw speed. It's just time hax.Battler transcends the physical world completely, including its time, he can rewind it however he likes, he can enter the game at whatever point of time he likes. Time on his gameboard is merely an extension of Battler's own creation.
It really isn't, but yeah I agree due to Darksmash's reasoningMy point absolutely stands.
Glad to see that you agree, but my point absolutely stands and is in line with the Wiki's standards.
.........what ?That has never once been immeasurable speed. No verse gets immeasurable speed through such shallow reasoning.
Irrelevant. Him transcending the world and being able to manipulate time doesn't grant any kind of speed rating if he's not doing any of that time stuff with his raw speed. It's just time hax.
It really isn't, but yeah I agree due to Darksmash's reasoning
Whether Umineko characters should be downgraded, with additional clarifications in their abilities.Real Question : why exactly is all this being discussed here ? This isn't a thread to determine who gets what abilities.
Someone posted about Battler not having immeasurable speed, I went to disprove it as a sidequest.So battler getting immeasurable speed will help you get the W ?
No, it's not. His is transcending the worlds, with each world having its own form of time.Darksmash's reasoning is the same as mine. I just explained it even further.
That's somewhat true ig. However, I mostly agreed with Darksmash's thing cause witches have shown to be able to traverse numerous kakeras and stuff like that, whereas your argument was basically just a transcendence and time manipulation. I didn't agree with Umy's argument because of the transcendence alone.GM Battler could literally rewrite the story to give Piece Erika duct tapes in an earlier time in the physical world.
Battler transcends the physical world completely, including its time, he can rewind it however he likes, he can enter the game at whatever point of time he likes. Time on his gameboard is merely an extension of Battler's own creation.
Can you point out the differences in our statements?
Well if something hasn't been debunked we consider it here "correct to apply". A random user can hop onto this thread and debunk everything, and we'll agree to him regardless if he's knowledgeable or not.It is starting to dawn upon me that several users in this discussion actually aren't knowledgeable about Umineko and are just hoping onto the downgrade bandwagon.
I am pretty sure these statements were very clearly implied in my explanations, and the context of each world having its own time already discussed several posts above mine.No, it's not. His is transcending the worlds, with each world having its own form of time.
That's somewhat true ig. However, I mostly agreed with Darksmash's thing cause witches have shown to be able to traverse numerous kakeras and stuff like that, whereas your argument was basically just a transcendence and time manipulation. I didn't agree with Umy's argument because of the transcendence alone.
That may be true, but some of them may just be convinced by the arguments on certain sides. It's not just to downgrade the verse. I personally disagree (to some degree) with the downgrade. I agree with removing the whole thing with 3rd domain, but there are things I disagree with.Someone posted about Battler not having immeasurable speed, I went to disprove it as a sidequest.
It is starting to dawn upon me that several users in this discussion actually aren't knowledgeable about Umineko and are just hoping onto the downgrade bandwagon.
You mean fighting in locked time? Qawsed already replied why it's infinite speed recently.Hunter Zolomon from DC is Infinite Speed even when he achieved it with Time manipulation.
This is wrong tbh plus it is talking how characters can move through time via sheer speed not Manipulate time in form of hax.Completely transcending physical world time to the point he views it as fiction is at least Immeasurable speed.
This is the wiki's definition of Immeasurable speed:
Immeasurable speed characters are far beyond even those Infinite speed characters listed above. They perceive infinite speed characters as completely frozen, and they can travel forward and backward in time at will. They have the speed necessary to hop from the beginning of time, to the end of time, and anywhere in between as casually as a human being can roll their eyes left or right. This also means their reaction time is faster than instantaneous. They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack. And they can do all of this via sheer speed.
Battler transcends the physical world completely, including its time, he can rewind it however he likes, he can enter the game at whatever point of time he likes. Time on his gameboard is merely an extension of Battler's own creation.
My point absolutely stands.
Glad to see that you agree, but my point absolutely stands and is in line with the Wiki's standards.
Irrelevant is only for 1A.If Transcending time alone isn't considered a speed feat, NONE of the Outerversal Characters would have Irrelevant speed.
I mean when Battler is the gamemaster of his own world, where he exists outside of the time of the world he created, and gameboard's time is just part of his own creation, and he exists in higher layer of the Meta World as GM where he views his own lower world's time as fiction where he can manipulate however he likes, how would the concept of "Speed" even be measurable for him?This is wrong tbh plus it is talking how characters can move through time via sheer speed not Manipulate time in form of hax.
Irrelevant is only for 1A.
I did say that Irrelevant speed is for Outerversal characters because they transcend ALL form of time whether it be higher or lower worlds. I brought it up because people were arguing that transcending time itself isn't a speed feat which I brought this up as a counter argument.You mean fighting in locked time? Qawsed already replied why it's infinite speed recently.
This is wrong tbh plus it is talking how characters can move through time via sheer speed not Manipulate time in form of hax.
Irrelevant is only for 1A.