Calculation Requests Thread (New forum)

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, scientifically it requires High 3-A levels of energy to move at light speed or have a mass of 0. And thus velocities faster than light are unquantifiable for kinetic energy calculations and thus would just qualify as limited physics distortion and not calculatable Attack Potency. Not to mention, it often qualifies under calc stacking territory and often would be prone to outliers. It's on par with assuming all "Surviving inside a black hole" or "Producing Absolute Zero Conductivity Waves" would also be High 3-A by the same practices. And we'd be full of characters on that tier despite a total lack of consistency to logically be that strong in the first place.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Yeah, scientifically it requires High 3-A levels of energy to move at light speed or have a mass of 0. And thus velocities faster than light are unquantifiable for kinetic energy calculations and thus would just qualify as limited physics distortion and not calculatable Attack Potency.

Oh. That's not on Kirby's profile. Perhaps this wasn't a complete waste of time after all. Thanks for the clarification. I'm glad this feat isn't completely worthless since it's clearly meant to show off his power. Limited physics distortion is good enough for me. I'll make a CRT for it soon and we can continue the conversation there if needed.
EDIT: Here it is. https://vsbattles.com/threads/minor-kirby-crt.124608/

Not to mention, it often qualifies under calc stacking territory and often would be prone to outliers. It's on par with assuming all "Surviving inside a black hole" or "Producing Absolute Zero Conductivity Waves" would also be High 3-A by the same practices.

Idk about AZCWs, but I do know that those black hole feats can be calced way below High 3-A despite this. That's part of why I still find it kind of weird that the same can't be done for feats like these, but I'm never done a calc before, so what do I know?

And we'd be full of characters on that tier despite a total lack of consistency to logically be that strong in the first place.

I mean, in Kirby' case, he canonically has "infinite power" and they do in fact refer to his strength in those statements lol

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Priority: 1 (Scales to all mobile suits that scale to and above the original Gundam)
Verse: Mobile Suit Gundam
Description: The RX-78-2 Gundam survives the destruction of a Zaku, albeit it's quite far from the explosion.

 

[Fireld]

Priority: 4
Verse: Sonic The Hedgehog (Game)

Feat: The Death Egg lifts off to the sky and orbit, this happens twice in Sonic 3&K, one on it’s own and the other after Dr Eggman stole the Master Emerald (though he may have not been using it’s entire power)


The exact size of the Death Egg is unknown but below I have some pictures which could help in determining it, note that it would be preferred to use the Death Egg in Sonic 2 and 3&K as reference only since later ones are probably bigger, the one in Sonic 2 however is the same one as in 3&K

Spoiler: Images

Death Egg crashing into Lava Reef Zone

Sonic Generations version of how far the Death Egg went on it’s first trip

Angel Island in Sonic 3

Angel Island in Sonic Adventure

The Material is also unknown but likely Metal, it also has many different Metal Robots inside it, including a Giant Metal Robot

Priority: 1
Verse: Sonic The Hedgehog (Game)

Feats:
Sonic CD: He outspeeds more Hotaru beams
Sonic 3 & Knuckles: Knuckles dodges a massive laser by spindashing out of the way
Sonic 3D Blast: He runs past several asteroids in an asteroid belt.
Sonic the Fighters: Metal Sonic & the Eggmobile can traverse space at great speeds
Sonic Shuffle: He, Tails, Amy & Knuckles escaped several stars, meteors, satellites, and platforms being sucked into a black hole.
Sonic Advanced: Amy ducks under a laser fired from Eggman's machine
Shadow the Hedgehog: His normal speed is relative to the Particle Beam Cannon & G.U.N ray weapons. Black Doom refers to them as lasers & energy based(energy travel at LS). Shadow comments on their optical weapons refracting laser energy and scatter in different directions. Artificial Chaos lasers are called beams.
Sonic Rush: Blaze's normal movements outpace Eggman lasers. She can go faster with her Fire Boost & outflies Eggman Negga's Black Hole as Burning Blaze.
Sonic Colors DS: Outran a mini black hole by boosting.
Sonic Lost World 3DS: He resists the pull of a mini black hole & uses Sonic Boost to traverse the special stage world, which contains several planets and stars.
Sonic Runners: Traverses the bonus stage with his boost, reacting to and passing several stars, even slowwer characters like Omega can pull this off.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Priority: 3 or possibly 1

Verse: The Invincible Shovel

Description: Alan slices the top of a mountain in half, then throws it into the sky

“Meteors are basically just rocks, right?” Alan said aloud. “Well, I specialize in rocks.”
A swing of his shovel left behind a characteristic trail of light.
KA-CHOOOOOM!
The top of Snow Mountain was sliced in half by Alan’s shovel, then hoisted toward the heavens. With his wide-range Shotgun Wave Motion Shovel Blast, he sent the giant ball of snow flying toward his enemy.
KA-CHOOOOOOOM!
“I call this the Shovel Meteor.”
“This is impossible!” Countless clusters hurtled toward Raystol, who once more attempted to flee via teleportation. However, it was too late. He would not escape.
“GAAAAAAAAAH!”
It was a direct hit. Raystol was caught in the overwhelming blast impact of the meteors. The only thing left in the field of snow was a burning crater.-Volume 2, Chapter 4

Would do this myself if i could figure it out. This might be something that's useful to add to the common feats page, how much exactly the top of a mountain weighs.

 

[Metalballrun]

Priority: 1
Verse: Sakamoto Days
Feats:

• Attack Potency/Durability
  • Sakamoto gets sent flying into a building with a kick. (Chapter 4)
  • Shin kicks through bus glass window. (Chapter 2)
  • Sakamoto throws a rock hard enough to destroy a rifle while at least tens of meters away. (Chapter 18)
• Speed
  • Sakamoto blocks a bullet with a cough drop. Note: Sakamoto would be familiar with Shin (the gunner) as a colleague and was also anticipating the attack. (Chapter 1)
  • Sakamoto blitzes multiple hitmen easily. (Chapter 1)
  • Sakamoto reacts to a rifle shot. After a while, he dodges a ricocheting rifle shot, and then Shin does as well. Note: This is probably an outlier especially if exceeds supersonic range. (Chapter 18)
• Lifting Strength (Possibly)
  • Sakamoto stops a speeding bus with a traffic sign.

Bump. These are pretty important as it serves as backbone for me to create the verse and character pages.
PLEASE I NEED THIS TO CREATE THE VERSE

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

priority: 1 or 2, gives tiers to the fodder of the verse

verse: worldbox (doesnt exist on the wiki yet)

feats:
sand spiders oneshot houses 3:24
god fingers alter terrain 3:47
robot santas bombs 4:54
UFOs lasers 6:23
dragons breath fire 7:44
the 4 types of ant alter terrain 8:54
large lightning bolts 10:45
earthquake nearly splits the map 11:18
force launches people 12:00
massive tornado 12:46
acid melts stuff 15:09
small geysers and volcanoes are raised from the ground 17:00
tnt stuff 18:00
bombs 20:42
massive bowling ball smashes stuff 21:47
meteors 22:26
heat ray melts stuff 23:08

theres some more but they weren't in the video and this is good enough for now, ill just have to find footage for the rest later

note
while mountain terrain doesnt seem to be individual mountains it is high enough to make creatures start to die

bump

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Marvel comics

Priority: 3 (scale to War thor and any herald)

War Thor/Volstagg creates a storm bigger than a moons-sized mountains

Cindr declares that she boiled oceans and burned stars

 

[Arkenis]

Priority: 1

Verse: Ragna Crimson

Feat: Disas creates Tornado

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Marvel comics

Priority: 3 (scale to War thor and any herald)

War Thor/Volstagg creates a storm bigger than a moons-sized mountains

Cindr declares that she boiled oceans and burned stars

I made a calc for the first feat. I don't know how to calc the other one though

 

[Scottycj256]

Priority: 2 (Scales to Universal Century mobile suits)

Verse: Mobile Suit Gundam

Feats:

The RX-78-2 tanks a Zaku explosion (Inverse square law recalc)

not sure how long i need to wait to bump but bump

 

[LaserPrecision]

Priority: 4 (Gives an unimportant Attack Potency statistic)
Verse: Ben Ten
Feat: Waybig throws Vilgax into space (I tried to calc it myself and it ended terribly. Somehow ended up with less than wall level or something)

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Priority: 4 (Gives an unimportant Attack Potency statistic)
Verse: Ben Ten
Feat: Waybig throws Vilgax into space (I tried to calc it myself and it ended terribly. Somehow ended up with less than wall level or something)

I’ll do it when I got time.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I’ll do it when I got time.

Thanks!

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Priority: 2 (Scales to the lower end of the main 5 characters and a few others)

Verse: W.I.T.C.H.

Feat Description: Corneila and Elyon combined their power and create and earthquake that shakes Heatherfield.

Important Notes: Heatherfield is stated to be a city. The result should be cut in half since two people preformed the feat. No direct size of Heatherfield is given so if we have a default assumption for shaking a city, that could be used. The magnitude of the earthquake was great enough to cause people to fall over.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Priority: 1. Essential for the rating of the most powerful and relevant characters, such as the protagonists and main antagonists.

Verse: Swords and Sandals.

Feats:

• The spell Molten Death rains meteors from the sky.

Bump.

 

[IxaSaga2]

Priority: 1

Verse: Kamen Rider (Saber)

Character: Kamen Rider Blades

Feat: Blades destroys towers of light. Link 1. Link 2.

Priority: 2

Verse: Kamen Rider (Ex-Aid)

Character: Kamen Rider Genm

Feat: Genm yeets Mars. Novel Feat. Genm's specs. How the moves looks like but replace the moon with Mars. Genm slinging the moon feat.

 

[Lonkitt]

Priority: 2

Verse: Kamen Rider

Character: Kamen Rider Wizard

Feat: Wizard vaporizes a concerete cylinder

 

[Shey]

Priority: 4

Verse: JoJo’s Bizzare Adventures: JoJoLion

Character: Josuke

Feat: Josuke pummels some metal walls.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Priority: 2-3

Verse: Harvest Moon

Character: Harvest Goddess (Gaia)

Feat: Harvest Goddess collapses a tunnel.

 

[RiloKileyFan]

Priority: 3

Verse: Owl House

Feat: Luz Noceda illuminates stars to form a constellation in form of her light glyph.

Episode transcript of said feat

Thanks in advance to whoever calcs this. Please note I'm aware this would be considered an outlier so I don't expect this to be accepted, but in the small chance it does, I would like it to be calc'd.

Many thanks.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Priority: 1-2 (LS scaling to all Rider in Zero-One)
Verse: Kamen Rider Zero-One.
Feat: Horobi blocking Breaking Impact 0:50

According to the official TV Asashi. Breaking Mammoth is over 700 meters tall and weight almost 7 tons

Bump

 

[Muuuuh]

Priority: 1
Verse: Kengan Ashura
Feat: Inaba reacting a shoot gun

Basically all Kengan fighters and several other characters could be sized if it's a good number.

 

[Charmand3r505]

Priority: 3-4
Verse: Pokemon
Feat: Pikachu makes a large crater in the ground

The full episode is Pokemon Journeys episode 7: Serving Up the Flute Cup!

Message me on my message wall when complete.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Priority: 3-2
Verse: Im: Great Priest Imhotep
Feat: Ramses King of Despair destroys a building (The look of the kind of building we're dealing with is shown here and we get another view here that could help)

 

[DarlingAurora]

Priority: 2 (Scales to Top-Tiers)

Verse: Mage & Demon Queen

Feats:

1. Mage & Demon Queen Season 3 Spoilers » The Demon King cuts a part of The Demon Tower, and this is the size of The Demon Tower, here others scans for reference, and here a pixel scaling.

50-Days Bump.
I need this for a future revision.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Priority: 1 (Scale to the Top tier)

Verse: Max Steel

Feats: Earth Elementor moves the Canyon

Ultimate Elementor created a thunderstorm

Kat declares that Dredd's missiles have enought firepower there to take out the whole Eastern Seaboard.

A bomb with enought firepower to reduce to dust All in 5 miles range

Priority: 1

Verse: Classic Max Steel

Feats:

weakened Max pierce the metal roof of a limousine like a can opener

Max takes a large Explosion of flammable fuel (10:00)

Max rips open the doors under the plane (13:00)

Max take the explosion of the collision of the 5 Isotopes that created a large crater (It also seems that there is smoke)

Earth Elementor lifts a chunk of stone into the air

Metal Elementor lifts a metal structure telekinetically and after that physically lifts another of the same size

Base max tears off a metal door

Max was able to lift a communication antenna

Max smashes a piece of rock and lifts a giant Block of stone (7:52)

Smash a concrete wall, Again (minute 16:00)

Psycho lifts a concrete structure

Max broke the floor of the roof of a hospital

bump

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Priority: 1

Verse: Dragon Ball

Request: a pixel scaling of this image

 

[ElixirBlue]

Priority: 1

Verse: Family Guy

Request: Kool-Aid Man breaks the Courthouse wall

Outside:

 

[Eseseso]

Priority: 1 (scales to basically every Kenshiro-level character in FOTNS)

Verse: Fist of the North Star

Request: Verify this calc of Raoh's Goten Sho (which was done with a fraction of his true power), and then if it is a decent calc, take into account the fact that there were clouds outside of the hole that were also split, adding to the calc.

 

[Eseseso]

Priority: 2 or 3 (could be a good/decent lifting strength feat for top-tiers in the verse)

Verse: Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star

Feat: Kasumi casually holds up a huge ass Iron ball along with a big ass staff while being 30% and life-drained (the guys holding said weapons are ridiculously huge, here's a pannel that shows Kasumi right next to them

 

[Rikimarox2]

Priority: 2 or 3 (could be a good/decent lifting strength feat for top-tiers in the verse)

Verse: Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star

Feat: Kasumi casually holds up a huge ass Iron ball along with a big ass staff while being 30% and life-drained (the guys holding said weapons are ridiculously huge, here's a pannel that shows Kasumi right next to them

Do you have a better picture for the second one? Might be able to get the staff measurements with it.

 

[Eseseso]

Do you have a better picture for the second one? Might be able to get the staff measurements with it.

Here

 

[Omnificence]

Priority: 2 (Mostly for Hellboy)

Verse: Hellboy

Feat: a few scans here of Hellboy tanking an exploding gas station

 

[Nicetoderp]

Priority: 2 (Most of Zero-One speed would scale to this)

Verse: Kamen Rider Zero One.

Feat: Kamen Rider Dodging and blocking lazer 0:32 - 1:15

 

[Fireld]

Priority: 2 (Scales to Eggman, Eggman Nega, and the G.U.N commander)
Verse: Sonic the Hedgehog

Feat 1 (Striking Strenght):
Eggman casually punches cars a good distance away from him

This is higher into wall level than any of his other feats, but the exact amount by which that's the case is unclear.

Feat 2 (Lifting Strenght):
Eggman casually holds on to a pulley despite carrying the weight of his entire Egg Walker

I estimate this feat to be class 1, which would replace the placeholder "superhuman" rank Eggman currently has under his lifting strenght. Just like the previous feat, however, it needs to be calced in order to be accepted.

Thank you in advance!

Priority: 2

Verse: Game Sonic

Feats:
Sonic Mania Opening: Classic Sonic suverly outspeeds laser blast at point blank range
Sonic Colors: Sonic wasn't impressed by the Ultra Accelerating Space Elavator which quickly transported Sonic & Tails from Earth to Eggman's Interplanetary Amusment Park. He outruns for a while a black hole that destroys Eggman's Amusment park and survives it. He claims to be faster than Eggman. Some Wips dodge laser, carry Sonic back to Earth & then go to other planets.
Sonic Generations: Classic Sonic outspeeds lasers again
Sonic Lost World: Sonic outruns lasers
Sonic Forces: Classic Sonic moves in tandem with them

 

[KatBoi69]

Yeah, scientifically it requires High 3-A levels of energy to move at light speed or have a mass of 0. And thus velocities faster than light are unquantifiable for kinetic energy calculations and thus would just qualify as limited physics distortion and not calculatable Attack Potency. Not to mention, it often qualifies under calc stacking territory and often would be prone to outliers. It's on par with assuming all "Surviving inside a black hole" or "Producing Absolute Zero Conductivity Waves" would also be High 3-A by the same practices. And we'd be full of characters on that tier despite a total lack of consistency to logically be that strong in the first place.

TL/DR:it's a site rule to avoid an arbitrary power cliff imposed by irl science on a debate game based in fictional worlds which aren't bound by science.

It keeps things fun and balanced.

 

[AuraMugen]

Priority: 2 (will affect the tier 5-Bs of the verse)

Verse: Digimon

Feat: Size of the Digimon planet
For reference:

-Taichi is an average 11 years old Japanese boy, his size compared to Wargreymon.

-Wargreymon inside Holydramon's orb.

-Size of Holydramon and Goddramon compared to the orbs.

-Size of ZeedMillenniummon compared to Holydramon and Goddramon.

-Size of the Digimon planet compared to ZeedMillenniummon.

 

[Sus]

Wait. By our standards, that would be High 3-A? Is the "outlier" argument really the only reason why this feat went completely ignored for so long on this site?

Make a CRT to upgrade literally every character with SoL and above to high 3A

 

[Stefano4444]

Priority: 1 (Scale to all characters)

Verse: Mass Effect

Feats:

- A Brute bust a large hole through a steel reinforced concrete wall.

- An Atlas Mech blow apart a large amount of rock with his weaponry.

bump

Also this:

- Wrex survive a massive explosion which destroyed a portion of a skyscraper, created with his own dual wielding shotguns..