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His sheer magical power altered an Absolute Point in time, points in the timeline that cannot be changed even with the manipulation of the timeline itself.
Should be comparable to his barriers
Survived the destruction of his timeline by creating a Mirror Dimension barrier around him
This is nonsensical dogmatism. Alter an absolute point in time is either something like Fate Manip or just regular powers that bypass the scale of Fate Manip the timeline has upon itself, not something tierable. Alter an absolute point being > "the manipulation of the timeline itself" aims to mean that the latter is Low 2-C when that isn't true, "the manipulation of the timeline itself" (Time Manip, Time Stop, etc.) is nothing, being > nothing = nothing. It's exaggerated to portray those abilities as "the manipulation of the timeline itself", and start an "absolute point in time" in caps has no reason to be as well.
Taking this wording literally then either 1. The edges of the universe imploded to the place where Strange is, pushing and f*cking up everything in the universe and ending up as a 3-A feat should it succeed, meaning that Strange pushing away the last part of the is only as strong as what's needed to destroy the small space that remained in the universe. 2. Every part of the universe is imploding, not just contracting from the edges, except it isn't as the small space left isn't imploding, only from the black parts Strange is "blasting away". But none of them are what's happening, the universe isn't imploding, the incoming destruction isn't 3-A from all parts, let alone Low 2-C, a paradox is making the universe cease to be, all the blackness beyond the small space Strange is defending isn't the destroyed universe coming in hard, the rest of the universe beyond that small space is all gone, it ceased to be. Strange was "blasting" in the sense that he was shooting energy, but it wasn't simply & only using Energy Proj. to push away an incoming force, he was trying to fix things as he could by unknown means/powers as the little bit left of the universe was being paradox'd.
Not really durability=/=AP and the "barriers" are claimed to be and look like the Mirror Dimension, something that already exists that he summons into his plane of reality, it's not something he creates and that he can thus create other evenly powerful things, for offence somehow. Even if he created those Mirror Dimension barriers himself that wouldn't even mean he can create other type of barriers or things just as good, it would only apply to this Mirror World barriers.
Many things wrong. He wasn't affected by the paradox himself and the Mirror Dimension from another plane of reality has no reason to be affected by this, if anything it makes sense that he survived. Some timeline destroying bomb didn't blow up in his face (which wouldn't even be Universe level+ durability due for the same reason a Low 2-C Big Bang isn't Universe level+ in durability), the timeline got "destroyed" due to a paradox and everything in it getting faded away, that's like saying that I survived the destruction of the building where I stand but then if you look into it you can see that the building just slowly faded away.
I'll answer this later I'm in theaters to watch Shang chi currentlyThis is nonsensical dogmatism. Alter an absolute point in time is either something like Fate Manip or just regular powers that bypass the scale of Fate Manip the timeline has upon itself, not something tierable. Alter an absolute point being > "the manipulation of the timeline itself" aims to mean that the latter is Low 2-C when that isn't true, "the manipulation of the timeline itself" (Time Manip, Time Stop, etc.) is nothing, being > nothing = nothing. It's exaggerated to portray those abilities as "the manipulation of the timeline itself", and start an "absolute point in time" in caps has no reason to be as well.
Taking this wording literally then either 1. The edges of the universe imploded to the place where Strange is, pushing and f*cking up everything in the universe and ending up as a 3-A feat should it succeed, meaning that Strange pushing away the last part of the is only as strong as what's needed to destroy the small space that remained in the universe. 2. Every part of the universe is imploding, not just contracting from the edges, except it isn't as the small space left isn't imploding, only from the black parts Strange is "blasting away". But none of them are what's happening, the universe isn't imploding, the incoming destruction isn't 3-A from all parts, let alone Low 2-C, a paradox is making the universe cease to be, all the blackness beyond the small space Strange is defending isn't the destroyed universe coming in hard, the rest of the universe beyond that small space is all gone, it ceased to be. Strange was "blasting" in the sense that he was shooting energy, but it wasn't simply & only using Energy Proj. to push away an incoming force, he was trying to fix things as he could by unknown means/powers as the little bit left of the universe was being paradox'd.
Not really durability=/=AP and the "barriers" are claimed to be and look like the Mirror Dimension, something that already exists that he summons into his plane of reality, it's not something he creates and that he can thus create other evenly powerful things, for offence somehow. Even if he created those Mirror Dimension barriers himself that wouldn't even mean he can create other type of barriers or things just as good, it would only apply to this Mirror World barriers.
Many things wrong. He wasn't affected by the paradox himself and the Mirror Dimension from another plane of reality has no reason to be affected by this, if anything it makes sense that he survived. Some timeline destroying bomb didn't blow up in his face (which wouldn't even be Universe level+ durability due for the same reason a Low 2-C Big Bang isn't Universe level+ in durability), the timeline got "destroyed" due to a paradox and everything in it getting faded away, that's like saying that I survived the destruction of the building where I stand but then if you look into it you can see that the building just slowly faded away.
No because it wouldn't be productive to rewrite all that for 1 user when you should be able to undertstand everything I said by analyzing it critically. Rewrite that simpler would take more time and effort for me than you analyzing it, and if anything the latter is the more encourageable action.could you give a simpler explanation for ze entire thing...? I don't get the gist.
geez, must you suan the fen bie. fine then.No because it wouldn't be productive to rewrite all that for 1 user when you should be able to undertstand everything I said by analyzing it critically. Rewrite that simpler would take more time and effort for me than you analyzing it, and if anything the latter is the more encourageable action.
Idk what you mean by the middle but I felt more appropriate to give the reasons for what I decided rather than deciding to not rewrite my comment and just not say anything about your request. I hope it makes more sense from this point of view.geez, must you suan the fen bie. fine then.
To note, since he's canceling bits of the paradox (somehow), he couldNot that I can't also see the arguments for the "blasting away" case. I haven't reviewed the footage, but allegedly, he delays the encroachment long enough to hold a conversation with The Watcher, for all that that's worth.
Most likely the latter rather than some resistance, if I cheat a new PKMN into my team then maybe all other PKMN there get screwed by the game but the new one I added is fine, to give an example. Random things like that are not uncommon.Also, him being unaffected by the paradox kind of makes sense, being that Stephen, especially post-fusion, is the catalyst for at least 1 paradox. (Christine being (not) dead, & the Strange that quested & the 1 that didn't now being the same individual.)
So MAYBE he was unaffected because the universe-destroying paradox(es) ignore what caused them.... But then again, it erases Christine but not Strange, so either he has resistance to EE or whatever the universe was doing, or it only cared about the Absolute Point's Paradox.
Ironically, what Ancient One did is far more of a Low 2-C than everything Strange has. She made a timeline become 2 timelines within 1 universe (somehow, it was stated twice that they were in the same universe), I get that messing with cause & effect isn't all that complicated and is just Casality Manip, but the way she also made 1 time & space diverge somewhere else a bit far away from the other timeline, or that she made 2 timeline be at once a bit far away from each other, should make her manipulate time & space in a way that's Low 2-C, if via Environmental Destruction/Creation and not on how hard she can punch or blast others.Relatedly, wasn't the whole REASON The Ancient One split the timeline in 2 because of Stephen's decision, & her wanting hope that he could correct it, hence, splitting the timeline so there's a version where he didn't go out on his quest for power? Not that splitting the timeline isn't still a Low 2-C feat.
I feel a bit guilty a bit about not being able to oblige you through helping present the new side of the debate you're interested in that @Eficiente presented, but....Okay just finished the movie and since Eficiente didn't wait can I get a tdlr I'm not home yet so I need a general understanding of all that you said. However as good a summary as you can give
It's all good I'll have time to read through them when I'm home thanks for the heads-up thoughI feel a bit guilty a bit about not being able to oblige you through helping present the new side of the debate you're interested in that @Eficiente presented, but....
....Well for one, I'm very tired at the moment. Also, even though I have had some involvement in debating some of the matters presented, Eficient has expressed a preference that users thoroughly consider his arguments as they were originally presented, as opposed to considering them as they're paraphrased in a summary....
So, put simply, I wish I could but I don't think I'm in a position to summarize it when I'm sleepy & given the above, I don't feel like I should try to speak for Eficiente, for fear that I might do a misrepresentation.
Pardon my wordyness, please.
There's no mention of anything like this and that Strange isn't independent from the destruction to come of the universe and he more likely than not had some kind of EE as the Watcher specifically states that doing anything to strange wouldn't cause these events to change.So MAYBE he was unaffected because the universe-destroying paradox(es) ignore what caused them.... But then again, it erases Christine but not Strange, so either he has resistance to EE or whatever the universe was doing, or it only cared about the Absolute Point's Paradox.
I also agree to this and for the finale of What if since we'll see more from Strange Supreme in the finale and out mainline strange in MoMI can just say lets wait until Spider Man comes out their could possibly be some kind of context that makes the Strange stuff make more sense, maybe it doesnt but I still think judging it off one trailer is a bit early.
Okay yeah I took that as condensed with pressure being built crushing inwards on strange as if space time itself was crushing inwards on himAlso they're not even wrong the universe was "condensed", just not as in crushed but as in what's left of the universe being more concentrated, as some room-sized space is less concentrated than the universe when it was whole.
That's also unfortunate but fair, it really just seems like regarding strange we'll just need to see more and wait on the official words for some things involving him and this episode on particularThe Marvel wiki has its stuff added by fans and their interpretations, quoting them is no more good than any of us asking someone near for their take on the matter.
Think I red he doesn't agree with causality manipHowever on another note the feat aside do you agree with the ability additions I don't recall you giving your opinions on that
Personally loved it and thought it did great as a actual start to phase 4 films I'll talk more about it later though sorry lol I'm going to sleepSo about Shang-Chi, what did you think about it?
ah, I get it now. thanks.Idk what you mean by the middle but I felt more appropriate to give the reasons for what I decided rather than deciding to not rewrite my comment and just not say anything about your request. I hope it makes more sense from this point of view.
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To add into Imaginym's comment, should Strange be blasting some Low 2-C closing blackness (which he's not) that would also be part of his Lifting Strength, which aside from being even more ridiculous it's also (to add to the list) not how Low 2-C works at all, a whole timeline isn't going to form around some present moment and close in a park-sized space in a way that can be pushed away or slowed down by force.
Problem is though, the erasure encroaches in towards... well, towards some point, & in spite of Strange's barriers, erases Christine within it. Ostensibly, her nothingness would go to outside the barrier, too, implying it's ineffective at preventing stuff leaving, at least, even if it might prevent the void getting in, for all that that's worth. The barriers provide flooring, I guess?There's no mention of anything like this and that Strange isn't independent from the destruction to come of the universe and he more likely than not had some kind of EE as the Watcher specifically states that doing anything to strange wouldn't cause these events to change.
Yeah again as it's said time and time again I think we should wait until the finaleI think we might get answers in the finale episode, after all, if it is indeed Strange Supreme fighting alongside the other heroes there might be a more clear cut explanation.
October 6th I believeI can't wait to see that. A multiversial Ultron with all the Stones and Vision's body versus a dark Doctor Strange capable of breaking an absolute universal rule. Hope he will also display new powers
Do we know the airdate of the episode?
This and what of the AO's timeline split feat would she still get that via ED?What would be his trier then?
I believe so, but more staff should look into it first.what of the AO's timeline split feat would she still get that via ED?
Does that mean he can keep the Low 2-C environmental destruction ?Same as before, but with the note of him being more powerful.
Sure. It would be like giving Marty McFly 3-A environmental destruction but "it's not wrong".
Can I do it? What should he be downgraded to?Can somebody do the downgrade?