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Some Random One Piece CRT
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Too lazy to sc from my computer but yeah he totally uses gear 2+3
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WTF, he didn't in the scene I saw...
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WrongIdea21
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I think Ch 799 page2 its clear he Using G2
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We don't know what DJ would do to P1 so that makes no sense, both are amps but we don't have a way to compare them at that point, the few feats we have happened inside Onigashima and iirc we shouldn't make any CRT for Onigashima before it ends.
He doesn't seem to be using it in the clash P1 overpowered him, and it wouldn't make sense for hybrid P1 overpower something that later made him scream.
Anyway, we can't upscale Sanji or P1 to 6C because there aren't one shots, i also don't think you can upscale DJ to H7A+ in his first key, he didn't one shot anyone.
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A One-Shot isn't the only requirement, vast superiority is fine as well.
Discussions for that can be saved for the Wano Revision, this is just about applying the new ratings for the currently accepted scaling.
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And casually cracking Oven's neck isn't vast superiority? He is way more durable than both Hody and Cracker's shields so the gap is smaller than 1.08x (the shields were already taking 0 damage from G3).
Fine, hopefully we will get a better explanation before Wano ends.
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Personally I don't see the need for why so much upscaling is being brought up here.
Is there anything actually wrong with just scaling characters to the durability values of characters they hurt?
Why can't we use the "At least" qualifier in some cases instead of slapping on a few extra Megatons arbitrarily?
Is there anything actually wrong with just scaling characters to the durability values of characters they hurt?
Why can't we use the "At least" qualifier in some cases instead of slapping on a few extra Megatons arbitrarily?
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If Sanji and Page One aren't deemed necessary to upscale then that's fair I guess.
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Because Gear 2nd is massively above base as well, and the Hody that could take several base Luffy hits got amped and still got sent flying halfway across the ocean.
I mean... do you want him to upscale?
I'm not against it, but I was tryna limit the amount of upscaling. But if you want him to off of that (which is valid) then we can.
It's not that, it's that DJ has shown a smaller amp in general than the raid suit amp showcased in Wano.
DJ hasn't shown any super massive amps while the Raid suit has, which would put it that high.
Sanji uses DJ against people he matches in base and doesn't do any damage. Sanji used raid suit and bodied someone who took his base hits with no issues.
One shots aren't the only reason to upscale. Mass superiority is another method, like with Luffy's G4th > G3rd or G2nd > base.
We have Luffy upscaling, Zoro upscaling, Sanji upscaling, the transformations upscaling, and that's it. I know someone that we ignored that should've been implemented that is ignored.
"So much" more like a few.
We still have upscaling standards allowed at the moment. You not liking it is, with all due respect, a personal issue.
994 megatons is 1.006x smaller than the next tier. This has to be the smallest gap from the next tier that I've ever seen upscale.
3.9 is 1.08x the next tier.
The gaps are astronomically small. Not upscaling with these small gaps and those clear massive superiority via "I don't like upscaling" isn't gonna work.
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Tbh I'm not even fine with Sanji upscaling from Oven.
He cracked his neck but ehe was relatively fine afterwards.
He cracked his neck but ehe was relatively fine afterwards.
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Yeah then sanji maybe shouldn’t upscale. The minimum rules we have for upscaling is 1.1x
3.976 GT to 4.3 GT is 1.08 (it follows the rules)
4 GT to 4.3 GT is 1.075 (it follows the rules, this is for Zoro upscaling from hyouzou who is 4 GT)
994 MT to 1 GT is 1.006 (like tempest said, it’s so small of a difference it isn’t even funny)
I don’t get why you have to scrutinize upscaling so much @Damage3245
this literally follows the current rules and is under them, you shouldn’t have a problem against it unless it was over, but in this case it isn’t.
Sanji upscaling maybe shouldn’t be utilized atm then, but I don’t see too much of a problem with it.
3.976 GT to 4.3 GT is 1.08 (it follows the rules)
4 GT to 4.3 GT is 1.075 (it follows the rules, this is for Zoro upscaling from hyouzou who is 4 GT)
994 MT to 1 GT is 1.006 (like tempest said, it’s so small of a difference it isn’t even funny)
I don’t get why you have to scrutinize upscaling so much @Damage3245
this literally follows the current rules and is under them, you shouldn’t have a problem against it unless it was over, but in this case it isn’t.
Sanji upscaling maybe shouldn’t be utilized atm then, but I don’t see too much of a problem with it.
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Just because you can do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should. From my point of view, it introduces larger inaccuracies into the overall scaling the more times you do it.
It isn't a rule that we have to upscale in cases like these, so I'm free to disagree with it.
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Scaling Gear Second Luffy 6 megatons above Hody when he sent him flying underwater while Luffy is weakened and Hody is amped, not including the fact that Luffy didn't use Haki, not including the fact that Luffy was wounded, introduces larger inaccuracies?
Scaling Gear Fourth Luffy 400 Megatons above Gear Third Luffy for ripping through dozens of Doflamingo's strings with a headbutt while Gear Third couldn't break past less than a couple dozen strings introduces larger inaccuracies?
Scaling Zoro 300 Megatons above Hyouzou for one shotting him and cutting through 8 swords of his without even using Haki and calling him fodder, introduces larger inaccuracies?
Scaling Raid Suit Sanji 400 Megatons above his base when he has one of the most ridiculous scaling chains above that level
introduces larger inaccuracies?
I don't see a single inaccuracy in the CRT regarding the upscaling. Like... not a single one.
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i dont even have to say anything cause tempest just spitted the facts right there dawg
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@KingTempest; I was obviously speaking in general in my above post about upscaling.
I don't expect people to agree with my stance on how arbitrary upscaling is, but in your own examples you have one character's superiority over another meaning that they must be 300 or 400 Megatons stronger, while in another case you have one character's superiority over another mean they must be 6 Megatons stronger.
That is part of how upscaling works at the moment, because it only goes to the next arbitrary boundary for the tier level, but can you not see how random that looks from an objective viewpoint?
I don't expect people to agree with my stance on how arbitrary upscaling is, but in your own examples you have one character's superiority over another meaning that they must be 300 or 400 Megatons stronger, while in another case you have one character's superiority over another mean they must be 6 Megatons stronger.
That is part of how upscaling works at the moment, because it only goes to the next arbitrary boundary for the tier level, but can you not see how random that looks from an objective viewpoint?
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@Damage3245 Not everyone knows that, and this is a One Piece CRT where the topic is characters upscaling. You brought up how it introduces inaccuracies and I brought up the lack of inaccuracies in the instance of these characters.
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anyways we settled a lot. Tempest proved above that usopp scales to trebols AP for taking a huge beating from him and being needed to be restrained and wasn’t fully unconscious. The scaling chain sounds good too atm, so what justifications do you guys think need to be fixed?
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I'll have a run-through of the sandbox tomorrow in my spare time if it is fully ready to evaluated.
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I'm still skimming through to find anything minor, but it looks like it's ready to be evaluated. Thanks btw
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I request that nobody update any sandbox in my name, and that if you have anything to add or fix, please inform me in here
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2 questions
1. Why does usopp have at most 7-B AP, he shouldn't have it. It should only be his durability for taking a beating by trebol.
2. Why is diamante "at least high 7-A" but kyros, the guy who defeated him only "high 7-A"
1. Why does usopp have at most 7-B AP, he shouldn't have it. It should only be his durability for taking a beating by trebol.
2. Why is diamante "at least high 7-A" but kyros, the guy who defeated him only "high 7-A"
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who did he hurt that's 7-B? Trebol's dura is 7-A+
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Jesus Christ.
Usopp's whole concept is that he can harm the people who hurt him because he's physically weak.
Usopp's whole concept is that he can harm the people who hurt him because he's physically weak.
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I'm confused about something regarding Page One...
" Island level (Shown as completely unharmed by two of Sanji's kicks, one in base and the other in the raid suit), Higher in Hybrid Form (Zoan users are more durable in their hybrid forms)"
Why is Hybrid Form considered "higher" than his full Zoan form? He tanked Sanji's attacks in both states and is simply stronger than what Sanji is shown to be. No one better say Sanji's AP is > Page's AP because that's never supported, and contrary to what is shown in their skirmish.
Edit: Also, Sanji scaling a tier higher than Doflamingo?? E W He doesn't even hurt these alleged "6-Cs" who apparently get their scaling from him. How is Sanji scaling to 6-C again? upscaling from High 7-A+ (4gt)? He doesn't harm King or Page with his attacks tho.
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Also, Usopp hurt Buffalo.
" Island level (Shown as completely unharmed by two of Sanji's kicks, one in base and the other in the raid suit), Higher in Hybrid Form (Zoan users are more durable in their hybrid forms)"
Why is Hybrid Form considered "higher" than his full Zoan form? He tanked Sanji's attacks in both states and is simply stronger than what Sanji is shown to be. No one better say Sanji's AP is > Page's AP because that's never supported, and contrary to what is shown in their skirmish.
Edit: Also, Sanji scaling a tier higher than Doflamingo?? E W He doesn't even hurt these alleged "6-Cs" who apparently get their scaling from him. How is Sanji scaling to 6-C again? upscaling from High 7-A+ (4gt)? He doesn't harm King or Page with his attacks tho.
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Also, Usopp hurt Buffalo.
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Alright.
Also a bit minor, why is Monet "at least High 7-A"
she should just be a straight up High 7-A
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Sanji upscales off of his WCI key hurting oven who is stated to be the most durable charlotte family member besides big mom herself, putting his durability at 3.9 GT, above katakuri's who took a gear third punch like nothing.
Raid Suit Sanji > DJ Sanji > Base Sanji > Oven's Durability > Cracker's and Katakuri's Durability > Pre WCI Gear Third > Hody ~ 3.976 Gigatons
This is why he upscales ^
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Thanks for informing me of that.
So he didn't tank it, nice to know
I'll add that since nobody contested your points about it
Why should she be straight up High 7-A?
She impaled Robin through with a casual attack.
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What does this prove? Page in full zoan stood and took a hit vs Hybrid clashing with RS Sanji and coming out on top is all you're showing me.Thanks for informing me of that.
So he didn't tank it, nice to know
We never see Page in Full Zoan land a strike on Sanji, and the only hit we know Page (Hybrid) took was off-panel so we don't see the result. The only difference we can make regarding Page's forms is that Hybrid is more mobile.
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Oh shit, my bad I forgot she casually did that. It was because tashigi hurt her, but I do note it was with haki, so maybe tashigi can get a higher with haki or somethingThanks for informing me of that.
So he didn't tank it, nice to know
I'll add that since nobody contested your points about it
Why should she be straight up High 7-A?
She impaled Robin through with a casual attack.
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Page One in full zoan form got put on the ground by RS Sanji's kick.
Hybrid Page One matched his kick and overpowered him, and via newton's law he scales above that.
Hybrid Page 1's Dura > Hybrid Page 1's AP > RS Sanji's AP > Full Zoan Page 1's Dura
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Again, full Page stood idle and took a hit off-guard and was sent flying off his feet. Hybrid went for an attack. Obviously Page clashing into Sanji is going to be favorable as apposed to him literally standing in place looking around and taking a hit.
Edit: Also, we don't see Page suffer any damage from the kick regardless.
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Given it a brief look over. Caeser Clown is unfinished, and there's some justifications I've spotted that look like they're written incorrectly. A few others I find questionable.
Will do a proper write-up tomorrow.
Will do a proper write-up tomorrow.
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Quick question, does sulong carrot scale to daifuku's DF? If so, her ap with it should be large mountain level+
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is this necessary? i mean for Basils he is just a coward if he says he is going to die he runs, if it says unsure he fights either way it does not really change his tier, i can not recall any instance it changed it tier. also iffy on his 6C rating.
aside from that everything i saw is fine
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