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Ngl I'm of the opposite opinion. Unless implied otherwise I'd assume it was 3-A rather than Low 2-C.
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Universe level CRT
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Yes, that's the point 'cause that description is for 3-A not for Low 2-C.
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I believe the topic we're currently discussing, which is changing the description of 3-A to make clearer and less confusing, started by the time I arrived.
So I suggest you start reading from around that point if you want, instead of reading through the entire thread.
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After reading the latest posts here, I'm starting to lean towards keeping things the same here, more or less. Even though we acknowledge that universes are Low 2-C by default (on our very own page for universes, no less), I'm not sure how it follows that all universe destruction feats are Low 2-C unless proven otherwise. The issue has always been how such feats are portrayed, not what a universe is, which I hope no one here denies being a structure that, at large, is the requirement for Low 2-C.
We should preferably still require explicit evidence that time was affected, i.e., that it threatens not only everything that is (at the time of the attack), but also everything that was and will be. The best way to do this is obviously for the verse to show us the past and future being destroyed. Statements can also work, but what the feat depicts should take priority, and so, Low 2-C definitely shouldn't be given out if the destruction can be reversed through temporal means, nor should it be the first thing that we assume simply because the usual full scale of a universe is what defines the tier. This is also why destroying the Earth (since that was used as an argument) can either be higher or lower than 5-B, depending on how the feat goes. The point is that just because an object by itself is some tier, that doesn't mean that you need to be that tier to be labeled as someone who has destroyed it.
We should preferably still require explicit evidence that time was affected, i.e., that it threatens not only everything that is (at the time of the attack), but also everything that was and will be. The best way to do this is obviously for the verse to show us the past and future being destroyed. Statements can also work, but what the feat depicts should take priority, and so, Low 2-C definitely shouldn't be given out if the destruction can be reversed through temporal means, nor should it be the first thing that we assume simply because the usual full scale of a universe is what defines the tier. This is also why destroying the Earth (since that was used as an argument) can either be higher or lower than 5-B, depending on how the feat goes. The point is that just because an object by itself is some tier, that doesn't mean that you need to be that tier to be labeled as someone who has destroyed it.
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I feel like something like that should me mentioned in the notes of the Universe page.
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Yes, I agree. I'm not sure how to word it, though.
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So basically Universe as a cosmological Structure is more often than not almost always Low2C ,
but feats of destruction is case by case....
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but feats of destruction is case by case....
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So in short
3-A is universal and low 2-C is universal
creating a universe is low 2-C cause you make the space and time
destroying a universe is either 3-A or low 2-C because author's suck at researching cosmologies and minor universal theories before saying that a character can wipe out a universe and then showing em destroying matter in the universe and not the continuum.
Thus context is important
but people confused 3-A with space times
so we needed to rephrase some stuff cause 3-A is just the extent of 3-B that is often called a universe in fiction cause that is the size of the observable universe.
3-A is universal and low 2-C is universal
creating a universe is low 2-C cause you make the space and time
destroying a universe is either 3-A or low 2-C because author's suck at researching cosmologies and minor universal theories before saying that a character can wipe out a universe and then showing em destroying matter in the universe and not the continuum.
Thus context is important
but people confused 3-A with space times
so we needed to rephrase some stuff cause 3-A is just the extent of 3-B that is often called a universe in fiction cause that is the size of the observable universe.
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The name should be like Observable Universe instead of Cosmos.
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3A is glorified 3B,
Universes structures are low2C, even if they are not separate time-spaces. As long as they have time-flow.
True
True. Feats depends on type of destruction.
True.
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Oh...I see your point with word "universe".
In language ,Semantics is b**** and context is GOD.
In language ,Semantics is b**** and context is GOD.
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@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT
So what should we do with the merging universes part of the 3-A description?
So what should we do with the merging universes part of the 3-A description?
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If a big bang is portrayed as just a big explosion, it's only 3-A. But if it's described as a "Cosmic inflation in time and space" it's tier 2.
Also, I do not think of the best examples where merging 2 or more universes ended up as 3-A, I have always seen it as 2-C as long as the universes are alternate realities. Unless it's a living world merging with the afterlife and stuff like that, then I could see 3-A.
Also, I do not think of the best examples where merging 2 or more universes ended up as 3-A, I have always seen it as 2-C as long as the universes are alternate realities. Unless it's a living world merging with the afterlife and stuff like that, then I could see 3-A.
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STRAW MAN STRAW MAN YEAH THAT'S ME.
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I agree with this since you're merging two space-time continuums which is basically merging two universes.
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I do agree with DontTalk in that regard, yeah. Merging only the physical contents of a universe seems to be way too rare of a feat for it to be used as a common example. I'm fine with removing that bit.
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I tried to handle the issue here:
vsbattles.fandom.com
Is my solution acceptable?
Tiering System
The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...
vsbattles.fandom.com
Is my solution acceptable?
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DontTalk also mentioned something about sustaining it with one's existence.
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wait so merging two universes isnt 2-c anymore?
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It is.
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It still is.
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oh
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I want to make a part 2 to this thread regarding the alternate dimension stuff. Just to keep things organized because I feel like things went a bit off track.
I’m glad we came to an understanding with the universal tiering.
I’m glad we came to an understanding with the universal tiering.
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Yes. Thank you for being reasonable, and I apologise about being irritable earlier. I get like that at times when I am very overworked and get impatient in combination.
I want to wait for confirmations that my changes to the tiering system page were acceptable before you start a new thread though.
I want to wait for confirmations that my changes to the tiering system page were acceptable before you start a new thread though.
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Yeah, that would be best.
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Ok. Give me like 4 or 5….
hours
hours
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As I said, let's wait for @DontTalkDT and @Ultima_Reality to check if my changes to the tiering system page were acceptable first.
vsbattles.fandom.com
Tiering System
The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...
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It would be better for this thread to be over before doing that. So, let's wait first.
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Looks ok to meAs I said, let's wait for @DontTalkDT and @Ultima_Reality to check if my changes to the tiering system page were acceptable first.
Tiering System
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Should 'For example' be placed before 'via an omnidirectional explosion'?
'Cause an explosion wouldn't be the only way to destroy all the celestial bodies in the universe and there are other methods, such as the shockwaves from the clashes between two characters.
'Cause an explosion wouldn't be the only way to destroy all the celestial bodies in the universe and there are other methods, such as the shockwaves from the clashes between two characters.
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