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Anyway, the only option left is time travel, as Post Crisis Barry Alen (Flash) has It on his first key, where he is only MFTL+ but in Goku's case It would be limited, as he only skips a few seconds.
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Re:adding Resistance to Time Stop and Updating Hit's Range | Dragon Ball Super Revision
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Thing that Goku can't do, as Goku can't travel through the future, past, or present via sheer speed, and Flash has It on his first key, which is only MFTL+, so Goku should have limited time travel.
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That's irrelevant, traveling in any point in time is immeasarable speed. For Barry Allen post crisis, his speed looks like it means overall. The immeasarable part says whens he's running through time, which applies to all of the times he did.
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this may be a irrelevant point for you, but this will be rejected. No matter how much It hurts, this is what will happen.
This is an outlier, the same as Zeno not being able to see Dyspo.
If you consider Zeno's feat an outlier, then we can consider Goku's feat as an outlier too, as is contradicted when the presumibly "supreme being" can't see two mortals fight.
See this, infinite speed creates inconsintencies and generates Antifeats.
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How would a precog upgrade apply to Goku moving in a timeskip??
Just dosen't explains and calls it and outlier
. How is multiple people moving through a time skip an outlier??? It's not like this a one off thing. Outlier is the most arbitrary word used on this wiki.The Zeno thing was actually contradicted later, it actually fits the outlier narrative. While the immeasarable speed has not.
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Yeah sure, T.O.P fighters being thousands of times above baseline infinite speed than Zeno's.....How would a precog upgrade apply to Goku moving in a timeskip??
Just dosen't explains and calls it and outlier
The Zeno thing was actually contradicted later, it actually fits the outlier narrative. While the immeasarable speed has not.
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Zeno saw the jiren vs Mui, that's a literally contradiction to a previous statement. Where's the contradiction with immeasurable speed? There isn't one.
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Zeno still reacted to goku and jiren fighting, zebo not reacting to dyspo is an outlier
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Yeah, and Krilin, master Roshi and Tenshinhan were able to see the fight between UI omen Goku and Jiren too......
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And Krilin, master Roshi and Tenshinhan were able to see the fight between UI omen Goku vs Jiren too......
So outlier
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Is there a contradiction? If I could make stuff I didn't like non valid, I would make piccolo not universal. However, it dosen't work that. It just means it's an asspull.And Krilin, master Roshi and Tenshinhan were able to see the fight between UI omen Goku vs Jiren too......
Plus the term outlier can't be used in the same way as in mathematics. For example if goku blew up more mountains than planets, that dosen't make the planet busting feat non vallid. You would need to see if there's a contradiction.
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That would be an outlier only for Roshi and Tien/Krilin, at bestAnd Krilin, master Roshi and Tenshinhan were able to see the fight between UI omen Goku vs Jiren too......
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Exactly, the same as Goku's inmensurable speed rating, there are too many inconsintencys in speed previous to that in the Next arcs....
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Inmensurable reactions for Ten, Krilin and Roshi??, ok.......
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No? What's the inconsistent thing about it? Tien and Roshi don't scale...
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That could give them inmensurable speed reactions by scaling, as they were able to somehow keep up with the fight of UI omen Goku and Jiren, and we know that UI Goku and Jiren's are leagues above SSBK X10 Goku
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What are the inconsistencies????
If it's contradicted later than it's def an outlier. However, it could just be a piccolo situation wheres it's a massive asspull.
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There's a reason people hate the term "outlier"
I'm starting to hate the term "outlier" more than ever, I swear
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PIS and Co. exist
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It would be dumb ethier way, if it was immeasarable or mftl+.
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That's what I mean, the infinite speed creates inconsintencies.
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Exactly, but is dumber to assume that It would give them inmensurable speed reactions
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No it doesn't. Using Tien and co. Is a bad example
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Ok after rewatching the fight here's what I understood
At the beginning of the fight Goku was just predicting where Hit will time skip himself this is a pretty amazing feat for Precog upgrade
But later Hit kinds of alters his time stop as now he isn't just simply moving into the future but he is actually attacking Goku with in the time skip this is more like time stop than skip
Later on after Goku goes kaioken X10 he is capable of moving in Hit's time skip too so a resistance to time stop should be fine and you don't need immeasurable to move in stopped time infinte is good enough but I consider that too to be an outliner
At the beginning of the fight Goku was just predicting where Hit will time skip himself this is a pretty amazing feat for Precog upgrade
But later Hit kinds of alters his time stop as now he isn't just simply moving into the future but he is actually attacking Goku with in the time skip this is more like time stop than skip
Later on after Goku goes kaioken X10 he is capable of moving in Hit's time skip too so a resistance to time stop should be fine and you don't need immeasurable to move in stopped time infinte is good enough but I consider that too to be an outliner
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No, the infinite speed would render later speed feats absurd, literally.
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No, we don't scale Tien to MFTL+, why would we scale him to Immeasurable? Those are outliers ONLY FOR HIM, ROSHI AND KRILIN and co.
Only who truly is on the level of Goku would scale and those 3 definitely don't.
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if dbs goku gets immeasurable speed he'd unironically would be one of the fastest immeasurable speed beings on this site
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There isn't an assumption though. The evidence shows others with immeasurable. An asspull wouldn't negate others feats.
@Rez I do agree with notion that goku's prediction skills were good. However I don't agree with time skip being time stop. Vados specifically said time skip wasn't time stop. In the U6 arc they mentioned that the name of his attack is time skip. Hit moving in the time skip dosen't change this fact.
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He won't don't worry
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I wonder what Heroes would potentially get though, many characters scale above Hit (it doesn't mean anything but still) and similar feats exist there
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Dark Dragon Ball's + Hit would make them pretty fast lol
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No, as what I mean is that if Goku gets a speed type, and other characters are able to see him, then I don't see why It can't be applied. What I mean is, that Infinite speed, would give most characters in the show Inmensurable speed, are you concerned how ridiculous is It??? Jaco would have blatant infinite speed reactions, the same as the majority of the characters, such as Piccolo, No.18, Goten, Trunks, etc....., simply becouse they should scale above them, It would ruin all the scaling.
Don't you recognize that IS ABSURDLY INSANE!....
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Besides scaling and increasing speed, how would someone deduct a character is faster with different verses?
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