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OPM webcomic and manga seperation (As well as some Murata statements)

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It is entirely possible that Bang was holding back against Darkshine (Same with Darkshine though) because when he sparred with Metal Bat, he said "I won't hurt him" to a Hero Association staff shortly before starting their friendly match. But Darkshine's statement of being unable to scratch his own body still stands unless we figure out there's a reason that Darkshine was lying.
 
Ped2018 said:
I've seen some people saying that we should disrergard Murata's statement because said to not take his word seriously, however this is not true, just read the statement
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It comes from Murata statement about him saying that he might have overstated it more than ONE's setting meaning he doesn't know about what ONE intentions regarding the scene is.Also Murata stated that everything which he says

“The pebble throwing of Geryganshoop is stronger than Tatsumaki’s.”
Well... I drew it with the thought that it is right but I don’t know whether the thought is same with ONE sensei’s official setting. Anyway I draw strong enemies powerful as far as possible when they appeared, so there is a possibility that I overstated him a bit than ONE sensei’s setting, so at the time I drew the Geryuganshoop’s pebble throwing, I made some principle to make him stronger than her.

Oh, about the comment things that I talked them here, except I am saying “I heard that from ONE sensei”, they are only my opinions and are not official settings. There might be some guys are asking to ONE sensei, but what I talked things were not all official ones. Like, except “They are in Hero Encyclopedia” or “ONE sensei said that” all things I said are only my guess."
 
Kin201 said:
I don't see how that contradicts the statement. Bang couldn't hurt Darkshine even though in the same tier as him. And Darkshine himself also claimed that he also doesn't know how to scratch his body.
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Thats because Darkshine durability is simply superior than than Bang's AP.I also doubt he was going full on serious and same with Darkshine.That just proves that his durability is higher than his AP.It contradicts because both are on similar levels of High 7-C not like Senior Centipede is massively above Genos's High 7-C rating.
LordTracer said:
Yeah, being in the same tier as someone doesn’t mean you can harm them.
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Yeah I am aware of that,I said that because I couldn't find any scaling chain of Senior Centipede which would put himself on level far higher than Genos to the point that Genos cant injure his carapace despite being the same tier.

After all
Genos High 7-C comes from him scaling above his self in season 1 which has High 7-C calculation but is still inferior to Metal bat
Senior Centipede is inferior to Metal bat who is stronger than Genos High 7-C rating
So they are around the same ballpark
So I dont see any scaling which would put Senior Centipede on the level where Genos would require Low 7-B attacks in order to even damage his carapace
 
My_area said:
So I dont see any scaling which would put Senior Centipede on the level where Genos would require Low 7-B attacks in order to even damage his carapace
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Nobody said it would be Genos’ Low 7-B attacks. He has a High 7-C+ calc for his Spiral Incineration Cannon.
 
My_area said:
It comes from Murata statement about him saying that he might have overstated it more than ONE's setting meaning he doesn't know about what ONE intentions regarding the scene is.Also Murata stated that everything which he says

“The pebble throwing of Geryganshoop is stronger than Tatsumaki’s.”
Well... I drew it with the thought that it is right but I don’t know whether the thought is same with ONE sensei’s official setting. Anyway I draw strong enemies powerful as far as possible when they appeared, so there is a possibility that I overstated him a bit than ONE sensei’s setting, so at the time I drew the Geryuganshoop’s pebble throwing, I made some principle to make him stronger than her.

Oh, about the comment things that I talked them here, except I am saying “I heard that from ONE sensei”, they are only my opinions and are not official settings. There might be some guys are asking to ONE sensei, but what I talked things were not all official ones. Like, except “They are in Hero Encyclopedia” or “ONE sensei said that” all things I said are only my guess."
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Q: Murata sensei, here's a question from overseas, can Geryuganshoop actually create black holes by manipulating gravity? It seems like they care about this a lot.

A: hm~, I'm not sure. Black holes seem too powerful. I won't know for sure without asking ONE. But his ability to control flying object should be above Tatsumaki, because he can eliminate the friction between rocks and air. If Tatsumaki throws rocks like he does, her output will be too powerful, the temperature increase due to friction and pressure, and evaporate the rocks in an instant. Geryuganshoop's psychokinesis can eliminate the friction between objects and air, the rocks will fly at sub-light speed*, that's the setting I based my drawing on. Tatsumaki can throw very large objects, but there's a limit to how fast she can throw them. Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all. That's what I think. (he repeats this several times)

Murata: Saitama still beat him with a casual stone throw though. In Saitama's eyes rocks at sub-light speed is nothing, it's like a bad joke.

T/N: The Japanese used here is 亜光速, can mean sub-light or near lightspeed. Murata says Geryuganshoop being the greatest psychic in the universe in a joking manner

I support the statement the sub light speed of Geryuganshoop throwing rock.Because he only mention one about Geryuganshoop blackhole not at Geryuganshoop sub light speed
 
LordTracer said:
Nobody said it would be Genos’ Low 7-B attacks. He has a High 7-C+ calc for his Spiral Incineration Cannon.
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Ah I thought it was Low 7-B my bad.Either way my point of Senior Centipede scaling to regular High 7-C Genos point doesn't change

LoveToSex said:
Q: Murata sensei, here's a question from overseas, can Geryuganshoop actually create black holes by manipulating gravity? It seems like they care about this a lot.

A: hm~, I'm not sure. Black holes seem too powerful. I won't know for sure without asking ONE. But his ability to control flying object should be above Tatsumaki, because he can eliminate the friction between rocks and air. If Tatsumaki throws rocks like he does, her output will be too powerful, the temperature increase due to friction and pressure, and evaporate the rocks in an instant. Geryuganshoop's psychokinesis can eliminate the friction between objects and air, the rocks will fly at sub-light speed*, that's the setting I based my drawing on. Tatsumaki can throw very large objects, but there's a limit to how fast she can throw them. Geryuganshoop is the greatest psychic in the universe after all. That's what I think. (he repeats this several times)

Murata: Saitama still beat him with a casual stone throw though. In Saitama's eyes rocks at sub-light speed is nothing, it's like a bad joke.

T/N: The Japanese used here is 亜光速, can mean sub-light or near lightspeed. Murata says Geryuganshoop being the greatest psychic in the universe in a joking manner

I support the statement the sub light speed of Geryuganshoop throwing rock.Because he only mention one about Geryuganshoop blackhole not at Geryuganshoop sub light speed
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I am sorry but I dont understand the point you are trying to make here.Can you please repeat it again?
 
My_area said:
Ah I thought it was Low 7-B my bad.Either way my point of Senior Centipede scaling to regular High 7-C Genos point doesn't change


I am sorry but I dont understand the point you are trying to make here.Can you please repeat it again?
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Sorry for my bad grammar, what i want to say is,i disagree for disregarding murata statment about Geryuganshoop near lightspeed of throwing rock.Because he doesn't mention One about that statement.Murata mention One only when he talk about Geryuganshoop blackhole.
 
LoveToSex said:
Sorry for my bad grammar, what i want to say is,i disagree for disregarding murata statment about Geryuganshoop near lightspeed of throwing rock.Because he doesn't mention One about that statement.Murata mention One only when he talk about Geryuganshoop blackhole.
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Thats no problem for me.He does mention that he might have overstated Geryuganshoop abilities in comparison to ONE's setting and it should include speed too meaning he doesn't have idea about ONE's setting for Geryuganshoop.Blackhole? You mean Geryuganshoop telekinetic abillty in comparion to Tatsumaki one? Even if you want to disregard it,we still have Murata saying that all of his statements which isn't consulted by ONE or OPM guidebook is his opinion only meaning Geryuganshoop statement cant be used anyways.I will quote this statement again for clarifications.
My_area said:
Oh, about the comment things that I talked them here, except I am saying “I heard that from ONE sensei”, they are only my opinions and are not official settings. There might be some guys are asking to ONE sensei, but what I talked things were not all official ones. Like, except “They are in Hero Encyclopedia” or “ONE sensei said that” all things I said are only my guess."
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Well... I drew it with the thought that it is right but I don’t know whether the thought is same with ONE sensei’s official setting. Anyway I draw strong enemies powerful as far as possible when they appeared, so there is a possibility that I overstated him a bit than ONE sensei’s setting, so at the time I drew the Geryuganshoop’s pebble throwing, I made some principle to make him stronger than her.

he just say possibility overstated a BIT than one sensei setting about Geryuganshoop,I think disregarding the sublight speed of Geryuganshoop because he just say that It's not relevant for me
 
Ourosboros said:
Yes, I agree. Everyone should look over the following statements and voice their support or lack of support for various statements. If the majority do not support any given statements, they should probably be removed or given a "possibly XY or Z" rating depending on what consensus we come to. I think this would be true even without his final transformation, as he casually defeated Garou and would have killed Gyoro Gyoro (a dragon level threat without his barrier).

The Dark Matter Thieves Dragon-Level Trio stand no chance against Orochi.
Support. Final Form Orochi is vastly superior to current Geryuganshoop and should not have a problem with three dragons, even if they happen to be three particularly strong dragons.
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@Qawsedf234 What are your thoughts on these?
 
I'm fine with Orochi and the EC size since both are consistent with what's shown and the feats displayed. The only one I'm really iffy on is Gery' speed, since that's solely Murata's statement with nothing else in support of it.

For Boros I was never against a 90% to 99% lightspeed rating.
 
Ourosboros said:
Evil Eye is stronger than Fubuki (shouldn't evil Eye be low 7-B then?)
I support this. Evil Eye is Murata's original character. He would know more about this than most of the other stuff he talks about.

Senior Centipede can only be harmed by a spiral incineration attack.
Neutral, No real opinion. IDK if he's qualified to make this statement, but it's plausible.

Puri Puri wrecked a monster as strong as deep sea king. Was this quote referring to Baquma or that nameless monster from the fodder monster fight that punched him in the face.
Support. Puri Puri took a slash from Nyan at this power level and regenerated, then went on to damage Psykorochi. This makes complete sense to me, although I wish more emphasis had been placed on his evolution if we're referring to the fodder monster. He did go onto destroy an established demon in Baquma, mid or high, so.

Cross Fang Dragon Slayer fist is stronger than the ... you know, the other attack.
Support. I can believe this one, they would be using their best attacks to finish Rover and Orochi reasonably.
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And your thoughts on these too?
 
Ourosboros said:
So, starting with Geryuganshoop, the biggest conversation starter recently.
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I'm not in support of it. At most we give it a possible rating
Ourosboros said:
Then we have the Orochi is "dragon or above" and is considerably superior to Boros's three generals, even as a group.
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It fits with his shown stuff, so it can be used as supporting evidence
Ourosboros said:
Evil Eye is stronger than Fubuki (shouldn't evil Eye be low 7-B then?)
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Don't know honestly. I wanna say its better to get a thing for the storm and go from there. I'd be better with a possibly rating rather than a solid one though
Ourosboros said:
Senior Centipede can only be harmed by a spiral incineration attack.
Neutral, No real opinion. IDK if he's qualified to make this statement, but it's plausible.
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It has no feats suggesting so. Metal Bat has other direct evidence of his rating though, so it can be kept as supporting evidence.
Ourosboros said:
Puri Puri wrecked a monster as strong as deep sea king. Was this quote referring to Baquma or that nameless monster from the fodder monster fight that punched him in the face.


Cross Fang Dragon Slayer fist is stronger than the ... you know, the other attack.
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These two are fine.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Don't know honestly. I wanna say its better to get a thing for the storm and go from there. I'd be better with a possibly rating rather than a solid one though
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He has a 7-C+ feat on his profile for that. So ‘7-C+, possibly 7-B?’

It’d be 7-B and not Low 7-B+ since Fubuki’s tier comes from backscaling.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I'm not in support of it. At most we give it a possible rating
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I agree with this, my proposes rating is: "At least Low 7-B+, possibly 6-C"

I'm mostly kin to 90 percent boros lightspeed, but I'll save that for the boros CRT
 
LordTracer said:
It’s Murata’s own character and nothing contradicts him being stronger than Fubuki, so what’s the problem with him getting a ‘possibly 7-B?’
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The issue is not "nothing contradicts him being stronger than Fubuki". The issue is "nothing supports him being stronger than Fubuki". Unless there's a calc of his I'm unaware of.
 
Then it seems like you’re rejecting Murata’s statement for no real reason.
 
Possibly 7-B is weird tho, considering he's only a demon level threat, and the cadres, who are at least low 7-B+ to 7-B, are heavily implied to be much stronger than the demons.
 
LordTracer said:
Then it seems like you’re rejecting Murata’s statement for no real reason.
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He's not. He's rejecting it because Murata himself said his words aren't valid. You have to prove they his words can be valid in this context, since the source already expressed that they aren't always valid.

As for the calc, the only correction might be to half it. Otherwise its fine.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
He's not. he's rejecting it because Murata himself said his words aren't valid. You have to prove they are valid, since the source already expressed that they aren't always valid.
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Plus, statements can be outdated. Fubuki got feats that put her at an impressive level after Murata's statement was made.
 
Not really. Disaster Levels tend to be straight threat ratings that increase. Hero ranks are based on multiple factors that may not directly correspond to strength.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
He's not. He's rejecting it because Murata himself said his words aren't valid. You have to prove they his words can be valid in this context, since the source already expressed that they aren't always valid.

As for the calc, the only correction might be to half it. Otherwise its fine.
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Murata said that in reference to what he said about Geryuganshoop, first of all, and you’re overlooking that Evil Eye is Murata’s own creation. Why would his words not be valid when it’s about his own creation, not ONE’s?
 
LordTracer said:
Murata said that in reference to what he said about Geryuganshoop, first of all, and you’re overlooking that Evil Eye is Murata’s own creation. Why would his words not be valid when it’s about his own creation, not ONE’s?
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It's still contradicts the fact that considering fubuki is now 7-B apparently, and we know evil eye isn't anywhere near 7-B as Low 7-B+ is the baseline for a dragon level threat. And as far as we know, evil eye isn't dragon level because he ain't or isn't ever listed as a cadre
 
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