Then what other hierarchy is there between higher dimensions? The mere mention of Dimensions as Extradimensional hierarchies objectively proves they are, to ignore that would be to plead ignorance.
My point is that the argument that equates higher dimensions to hierarchies of layers in this case hinges on the idea that those two notions are equivalent to each other, which is a false assumption. I'll address the point you made about hierarchies later on in this post, so feel free to skip this part if you wish.
Now, I know that you have a scan that's supposed to back-up dimensions being levels of existence in WoD, speaking of which...
I already debunked that as you are well aware of, how could it be an axis of movement if there's an entire race of higher dimensional beings who come from it?
You are referring to
this, no? You've shown this to me on Discord, and I've responded by saying that this statement was also too vague to infer anything close to your proposals. The scan doesn't state that the Zigg'raugglur come from some higher realm of existence called the "fourth dimension", just that they can operate and work across "the reputed fourth dimension", which can easily mean that they can move across higher axes of movement.
Basically, the text assigning ordinal positions to dimensions is not necessarily proof that they are realms of existence without more context. Time is often coloquially referred to as "the fourth dimension", yet it is always defined as being just a direction or similar, obviously not a realm (Just an example btw, don't take it too literally)
No, it really doesn't. This is a conflation which is totally wrong by the mere use of the English language, Extradimensional is demonstrably proof of something being higher dimensionality, not alternate Universes. The Extradimensional Hierarchy statement and the Infinite Dimensional statement prove my view on there being infinite dimensions.
"Extradimensional" can simply mean something outside of the normal reality, from the point of view of whoever makes the statement, and this descriptor definitely applies to the shard realms, since they reside in the spiritual plane apart from the physical world. It doesn't necessarily indicate dimensionality, again, not without further context.
Furthermore, the "dimensions" mentioned here being just realms of existence is already made blatantly obvious by how the text mentions that there are spirits and entities living in them. Considering the scan you previously posted (The one which supposedly proved that dimensions in WoD are actual places and higher planes of existence) had its fair share of holes in terms of how you interpreted it, I am still unconvinced.
at this point this is contrarianism for its own sake.
Is that so? My interpretations of the text are simply different from yours, and what is obvious to you is probably not so obvious to me. I am not trying to actively oppose the verse.
You just posited that the Hierarchy is to do with realms, I've proven that these realms transcend each other, infinite transcendent hierarchy.
The scan you posted simply mentions the existence of higher and lower realms, and that's not enough evidence for anything Tier 1, unless it is proved that each of the higher realms trivialize or stand in a greater ontological level than the ones below them, otherwise they can easily be viewed as locales that are "stacked" on top of each other but are all of roughly the same existential scale.
I am fairly sure I once read a book where Heaven was referred to as a higher dimension, while Hell was a lower dimension diametrically opposed to it, yet they were the same size and these descriptors didn't refer to their existential status, just their positions in relation to each other. The same thing can be the case here, unless you prove the contrary.
Now, I am aware that the same scan states that Mages can "transcend" into higher planes and similar descend into lower ones as they bend existence, but I should note that "transcendence" tends to be a bit of a vague buzzword and always needs more context in these cases, since it simply means "to go beyond" and doesn't necessarily indicate greater levels of existence. Someone could say "they transcended into another universe" and that'd be a perfectly valid sentence.
This goes back to that question about "kinds of hierarchy which you made: Hierarchies are simply frameworks where things are arranged in an order where they can be identified as "above" or "below" other things by whatever arbitrary qualities they may have, and that alone doesn't entail an infinite difference between its members. The natural numbers (1, 2, 3...) are a hierarchy, yet the difference between 1 and 2 isn't infinite; hence, the realms could still be an hierarchy even if they were just stacked upon each other, instead of existing in different orders of reality altogether.
