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5-A Hax World Cup: Birdon VS Emu Hojo (R1 G3 F1)
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Emu invul make him immune to all damage and mental influence.00potato said:
Seeing as how something like Confusion, Chaos and Lovelica all utilize mindcontrol, mental manip he is immune to that.
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Well, it is more like invulbility. Invincible power up and all, while it has never show mental resist.
As the TV Arashi have stated themselves.
"Muteki Gamer is designed to be "invincible". In this form, Emu can warp to avoid harm and is immune to negative status effects and abilities including Cronus' "Pause" ability."
And his page is kinda going on a debate about his revision due to the novel revealing that he is completely invincible to everything that Genm God Billion's attack and Hax. (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kuroto_Dan?mobile-app=false)
And here is the japanese qoute for Dan admitting that he can't do anything to Emu in Hyper Muteki.
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Very, very roughly translated to that Dan can't hurt him, but Emu still restrict by his human nature and he can aged, therefore, Dan can stall until he died out of old age.
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Usually yes.00potato said:
But Dan is the creator of Hyper Muteki itself, and he is a very, very prideful man with massive ego the kind that isnt really Gilgamesh level pride but is up there.
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It isn't hinted vaguely, Kuroto himself is a self-proclaimed genius who make both the Hyper Muteki and the Riders Gashats, belts which mean he should be knowledgeble about his own creations. I don't see any reason for him to lie.
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No, because he know that it wouldnt matter.00potato said:
And it is a blanket invincibility that state itself to negate all debuff. And Friend Heart is definitely a debuff.
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With Hyper Muteki, nothing below Low 2-C can even harm him.
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Yes, it is. Genm God Maximum abilities to control time, space, physics, concept, laws and etc is unable to harm him as stated above.
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It still counting as a debuff. Since something like Lovelica hitting on you, as in, literally flirting with you count as a debuff in his case.00potato said:
Potency doesn't matter.
There is no reason to believe that a mind hax below 2-C should be able to affect someone with 2-C invul to basically everything under the sun.
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Well, yes, the conventional invulnerability is usually just protect the user from the damage. That however, isnt Hyper Muteki's case. It's function is making the user untouchable by the outside effects, that was the reason why Cronos's timestop cannot touch him, same could be say to Gamedeus's virus infection in the movie (tho i'm not sure what did he do in final battle of the movie, so it's would be nice to have other to correct me). It's best feat is stated by Dan Kuroto that Cosmic Chronicle (which can control space-time, matters, concepts of the universe) cant do anything against it. And that the villain in the crossover movie planned to use it to survive the destruction of 2 parallel worlds when they collide with each others.00potato said:
So unless Birdon's mind hax is greater than 2-C, Hyper Muteki's invincibility will just resist it fine
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Following by some reasons since Hyper Muteki revision didn't finish yet
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Well yeah, but Cronus's Pause (time stop) isnt something negative either, but Hyper Muteki ignore it anywayEficiente said:
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Time stop alway seem a neutral power to me since it's doesnt do anything to the victim and can they would be unharmed if the time is releashed without any change. And i totally not sure if Hyper Muteki only ignore the negative abilities, Because there isnt a ability in the series that can bypass it's invincibility
Also, from what you describe, isnt Friend Heart something that heal and make the opponent feel joy ? not a straight up high level mind manipulation that affect the morality of the opponent like how the profile describes it ? Then i dont see how would do any harm to Emu at all. And even if it's purification, what do you purify when he's a doctor that alway tries to help everyone he meet
Also, from what you describe, isnt Friend Heart something that heal and make the opponent feel joy ? not a straight up high level mind manipulation that affect the morality of the opponent like how the profile describes it ? Then i dont see how would do any harm to Emu at all. And even if it's purification, what do you purify when he's a doctor that alway tries to help everyone he meet
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What will happen to the victim who dont need to be purified ?Eficiente said:
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isnt that just straight up mind control with a bonus that put a smile on the victim ?
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i means, it's really the same mind manipulation that alter the mind of the victim to do your bidding. And i hardly see it any less negative than time stop
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Bexause it is negative for the user the same way video game treat Charm as debuff?Eficiente said:
Technically charm just make that person like/lust for you to a high degree.
Beside Friend Heart is as telegraph as all hell while Emu could do teleport and speed amp himself.
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Well, i understand that the theme behind the technique is joy and happiness. But if it's directly change the morality while the target is already a natural good person then i can only see it as a form of morality corruption.
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Doesm't have one, could give himself one.00potato said:
If so should be at least 5-A~Low 2-C due to his God Gaming ability to bestowing himself power.
And the chance of Friend Heart of actually hitting Emu isnt high if Hyper Muteki somehow doesn't just invul through it, he is a gamer and he sure is genre savy enough to know to never get hit by anything that enemy yeet at you and with teleportation dodgin it shouldnt be too much of a hassle either, plus other stat amplification/invisibility and more to help him dodge it.
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And which part of invul to low-2C reality warping/concept manip/law manip/etc.etc. that you don't understand?
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"Doesnt has one, could give himself one" refer to one of Cosmic Chronicle's function is that it can create any "game" (or power and abilities in this context) and can freely set how powerful these abilities are, like how he freely set how powerful his physical stats are. So yeah, he's kind of the character that pulls powers from his ass. One of the mind hax he has created is Zombie Chronicle, a game that allow him to turn anyone into a mindless zombie and these zombies can turn everyone elsr into zombies by touching them. The guy literally say he has became God with this power, and the only reason why he losed in the TV series was because PIS and his universe-controlling power was overpowered by Emu's plot manipulation.00potato said:
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Because blanket invulnerability?00potato said:
It is directly stated that he immune to anything that is both damage and debuff. Friend Heart would easily qualify as debuff for him therefore it is negated.
And as the person explain above me. Genm have ability to just get new powerup as he demand, that is how he gain Zombie Chronicle, and CoSmIC Chronicle which is how he gain the low-2C key.
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If he can easily create a power that can warp the reality on Low 2-C level, how hard can it be for him to creates a mind hax that can overpower the multi-galatic mind hax ?00potato said:
Yet, despite all these god-like power, he still cant touch Hyper Muteki's invincibility.
And like how Nice said, Emu is the most talented gamer of Japan, so he know full well that never get himself hit by anything come from the enemy
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