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The Son of Dracula tries another Dark Lord

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"Wait, you're not my father...what kind of demon are you !?"

"So, I'm destinated to fight another hybrid...strange fate, isn't it ? ...Tell me, child, who are you ?"

"I shall give you no answers, demon, death's too good for you, face me in combat and nothing more"

"Ha, you remember me of another hybrid, he also had a tought personality, and challenged me even without his full stregth, well, things didn't ended up well for him, and you're going to suffer the same destiny. Now come, hybrid, show the the power of your blood!"


> Both Low 2-C, Base Mundus and Alucard as Genya (lol)

> Speed is Equal

> Fight starts at Mundus's throne room in DMC1

> They are...what, 5 meters from each other ?


The Son of Dracula:

The Demon King

Inconclusive:


Genya
Young Mundus
The Prince of Darkness
 
What does alucard start with? and that prevents mundus from disrupting alucard on one level ??? of matter (what damage did light beam attacks do).
 
Alucard starts with physical blows with his Sword

Mundus' Matter Manipulation comes from being able to use Particle Beams, it isn't that useful in Combat, and even then, it's a direct beam that have a charge time, dodging it or blocking it with the Alucard Shield isn't that hard
 
I don't see particle beam doing too much to Alucard's regen anyway.

Anyway, I don't see Mundus being able to do anything to Alucard that Dante couldn't. Dante's AP is WAY higher than Mundus' and he had way more to work with, and that got incon.
 
Equal to Argosax who's at least 2x times Baseline, likely far, far higher

Worth saying that Low 2-C starts with Despair Embodied Argosax, so the scalling chain is smaller

I don't remember any beyond baseline feats in Castlevania
 
i don't think there are any direct feats but there's a decent scaling chain. Slogra and Gaibon were considered endgame bosses to Simon who scales a fair bit above baseline, and Alucard can oneshot them.
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
i don't think there are any direct feats but there's a decent scaling chain. Slogra and Gaibon were considered endgame bosses to Simon who scales a fair bit above baseline, and Alucard can oneshot them.
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In either case, yes, it's a vote for Alucard.
 
Eh, Castlevania Scalling Chain is complicated

It's true what you said, but then Alucard gets defeated by Trevor in C3

And worth saying that he didn't trained between C3 and SOTN, and there are no statements saying that he got stronger

But they are decently above Time Reaper who's baseline, so I guess the AP is around equal here
 
Given his feats, it would be very inconsistent if he somehow didn't get any stronger. Though you can attribute that to him growing stronger throughout SOTN partially, he was still able to take on slogra and gaibon at the same time while weakened and stripped of his equipment, where even one of them was able to give simon the fight of his life.

...Actually, that might explain it. Alucard didn't use any equipment during Castlevania 3, only his fireballs and bat form.
 
What makes this hard is his complete redesign for both attacks and appareance

He awakened in SOTN apparently with the Equipment so did he had them in C3 ? Eh, I think the time between his Awakening and his first step in the castle could explain, but there is a manga for SOTN where it shows Alucard right after he wake up, gonna search for it

Well, Dracula in SOTN apparently wasn't full power, or he was ? That quote "behold my true form and despair" is english only. Besides this, Alucard's feats in C3 are comparable

Just to be sure, why Gaibon and Slogra were so difficult to Simon ? It was stated or something like that ?
 
https://castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/Alucard According to the wiki, alucard was testing Trevor's strength in C3. And it's not stated in lore or anything, but Slogra and Gaibon are fought in succession right before Simon takes on death. In comparison, Alucard is able to beat them both working together as the first boss in SOTN. They then show up as normal enemies he can fodderize before he even takes on the reverse castle.

As Genya, he's able to beat Soma who IIRC was stated to be far stronger than Dracula ever was and even beat Chaos itself so there's that
 
Oh s*, forgot this is Genya

Then yeah, he got a interesting AP advantage here, Genya is like comparable to Julius who's a beast, he actually should have a second key tho, just Low 2-C for being able to battle Soma

Also, I dunno if we can take that statement seriously, as the wiki doesn't give us any links to whatever could help, but considering what was Alucard's intentions, it could be the case
 
Those clones were zombies who were taking their form, fully scalling them to those three is a bit eh

But Alucard defeating Slogra and Gaibon with ease speaks for itself
 
ZephyrosOmega wrote As Genya, he's able to beat Soma who IIRC was stated to be far stronger than Dracula ever was and even beat Chaos itself so there's that

This isn't Canon tho
 
It is an alternate ending

Usually, in these cases, we don't consider the events but feats are inside of what the character is capable of

Julius Belmont profile uses this ending for his Low 2-C rating
 
He does? He has feats tho, he almost killed an awakaned Dark Lord Soma in AoS, he destroyed the thingy in the next game no one else could and is the only Belmont to "definitely" kill Dracula when he was at his strongest
 
He didn't "almost killed" Soma in their fight, they were even and restraining themselves

Dracula in 1999 was "At least 4-A, Possibly Low 2-C", killing him makes you scale to this, destroying the barrier also is a feat at this level

The only thing that makes him fully Low 2-C is being able to fight and kill Soma in the bad ending
 
Alucard would at bare minimum be far stronger than Baseline since he scales far above Richter.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Alucard would at bare minimum be far stronger than Baseline since he scales far above Richter.
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yeah, I'm typing out the scaling chain righ tnow to the best of my ability.
 
let's see if i can crack this.

So, we know that Dracula gets stronger with every resurrection, but not exactly how much. I'll try and figure that out as time goes on.

At the very bottom of the scaling chain we have Slogra and Gaibo. These two individually were able to give Simon a good fight just prior to his battle with Death and Dracula immediately after. They also serve as an enemy for Trevor and Hector in Curse of Darkness. Technically I could place the Lament of Innocence cast here

Just above them, we have Death (Curse of Darkness), as Slogra and Gaibon are considered his direct subordinates and he's obviously significantly stronger than them Death AFAIK is equal to the Time Reaper which is partially where Low 2-C comes from.. Just above Death, we have Dracula (Curse of Darkness), and by extension Trevor and Hector as they both defeat him within the 3-year span of Dracula's Curse and Curse of Darkness. This applies to Sypha and Grant as they're comparable to Trevor.

Something something Christopher and Soleil go here but i don't think they're canon. If they are, just add another ">" on there as that era is pretty featless.

Fast-forward a few years, and we have Simo, Death (Castlevania IV), and Dracula (Castlevania IV). I don't think these should be that much stronger than the Curse of Darkness incarnation as they lack the feats, but Simon should be at least somewhat stronger as he defeated Dracula on his own, wherease Trevor had help from Grant, Sypha, and Alucard.

Next up we have Juste Belmont. I'm not sure how he fits into the scaling as he doesn't directly fight Dracula, just a wierd gross flesh monster version of him, but he is mentioned to be extra powerful due to also having Belnades blood in him. I should mention that he should be at least 2x baseline as there are actually two copies of Castlevania in this game. This would make even a heavily weakened botched resurrection version of Dracula (Harmony of Dissonance) 2x baseline, which is a good marker going forward. Eat your heart out, Ganon.

After that we have Richter Belmont, Death (Rondo of Blood), and Dracula (Rondo of Blood). This shouldn't need much explanation. He's stated to be the most powerful belmont at the time, Alucard describes his power as supreme among vampire hutners, he's the first Belmont that can use the Grand Cross technique, et cetera. Speaking of which, this leads us to...

Alucard (Symphony of the Night) is by far the strongest character we've seen so far. Even after sleeping for centuries, a heavily weakened version of him without any of his equipment (Which he also doesn't use in Castlevania 3, mind you) was able to beat Slogra and Gaibon working together. Later on, he can even one-shot and fodderize several of them as they reappear in the mines. Of course, he also defeated Richter and Shaft, the latter of whom was able to summon/maintain two copies of the castle, as well as Dracula.

I'm iffy on placing Shanoa this high, as she only defeated her game's incarnation of Dracula (Order of Ecclesia) by using Dominus, but she did have to weaken him first so it could work, and can survive channeling Dominus through her body, so it's probably fine.

Once again, I'm iffy on 'John Morris being this high, as using the Vampire Killer ends up... yknow, killing him. But Jonathan Morris and Charlotte Alui should certainly scale. Despite not having Belmont Blood, Jonathan unlocked the Vampire Killer's full power and there's some stuff in Portrait of Ruin about him relying on his own strength rather than that of the Whip. He and Charlotte were also able to defeat 'Dracula (Portrait of Ruin) and Death (Portrait of Ruin) After they had fused together.

Now we're getting to the Good stuff. Julius Belmont is stated flat-out to be the strongest Belmont who ever lived. Alongside Alucard (1999), he was able to actually destroy Dracula once and for all. Even against Soma, he was holding back. Which, once again, brings us to:

Soma Cruz (Aria of Sorrow). The cream of the crop. How strong is he? Well, he defeated not only Death (Aria of Sorrow) mid-game, but also Chaos, the source of all of the powers of darkness across the entire series, to whom Death and Dracula are mere facets of its being, yadda yadda. Really strong stuff. Soma Cruz (Dawn of Sorrow) is even stronger than that. And finally, we have Dark Lord Soma, the absolute strongest character in the series whom Julius Belmont (Dawn of Sorrow), Yoko Belnades, and Alucard (Dawn of Sorrow) had to work together to defeat.


I think that covers everything. The full chain is then something like this:

Slogra + Gaibon (CoD) <<< Death (CoD) <<< Dracula (CoD) < Trevor = Sypha = Grant < Slogra + Gaibon (Castlevania) <<< Death (Castlevania) <<< Dracula (Castlevania) < Simon (Castlevania) << Death (Harmony of Dissonance) < Juste < Death (Rondo of Blood) <<< Dracula (Rondo of Blood) < Richter Belmont < Maria's Magic (Rondo of Blood) =< Maria (SotN) =< Richter (SotN) <<< Dracula/Galamoth (SotN) < Alucard (SotN) <? Shanoa < Death + Dracula (Portrait of Ruin) < Jonathan + Charlotte (Portrait of Ruin) <<< Julius (1999) = Alucard (1999) <<<<<<< Chaos < Soma Cruz (Aria of Sorrow) < Soma Cruz (Dawn of Sorrow) = Julius (Dawn of Sorrow) = Yoko (Dawn of Sorrow) = Alucard (Dawn of Sorrow) <<< Dark Lord Soma
 
You forgot to factor in Maria since she's on par with Richter as a child, and has grown much stronger in SOTN and Alucard can defeat her and Richter easily.
 
That's true, but I don't think it would change too much. I'm also iffy on Maria canonically being on par with Richter as the canon route (AFAIK) has her captured and literally powerless.
 
In SOTN she can literally power up Richter to the point that he's invincible against Dracula, and this happened when she was a child.
 
Oh yeah, she can, can't she.

In either case, I'm not sure it would apply to Maria physically, but again, doesn't matter too much. I updated the chain to show her ,though.
 
How is Soma AoS below Dos? He is literally at the peak of the powers at that point, in DoS he lost all those powers he gained as Drac.

Julius should still be the strongest one in the series
 
I mean full Dark Lord Soma (dawn of sorrow) required Yoko, Julius, and Al to defeat, so at least that version of Drac!Soma would be stronger.
 
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