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Alucard Revisions: Adding a Second Key

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So over on this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3801103, we were discussing the Castlevania scaling chain to determine Alucard's AP, and came to a conclusion. As Genya, Alucard was able to defeat Dark Lord Soma alongside Julius and Yoko, as well as being comparable to Julius for helping him defeat Dracula.

Given that, I motion that Alucard should be given a second key that's fully Low 2-C for being comparable to both Julius (Who is also fully Low 2-C, mind you) and Soma, who is Low 2-C in both keys. Should be a simple enough revision, all things considered.

Agree with New Key and Low 2-C: Dante Demon Killah, Theglassman12

Agree with New Key: Toni di Bugalu, DarkDragonMedeus

Disagree:

Third Key for Soma
I'd like to update the thread. After some discussion, I'd like to add a third key for Soma.

Key: Base | Dark Lord | Full Power

Justification being that his full power was able to defeat Chaos, whereas his Dark Lord incarnation wasn't able to handle its full power. He was far weaker in Dawn of Sorrow than he was at the end of Aria of Sorrow as Tony helpfully informed.

Agree with New Key:

Disagree with New Key:
 
Just pointing that the ending where they fight and defeat Soma isn't Canon and it was a 3v1 with one of them (Julius) being stronger than the other 2 IIRC since only Julius can destroy the shield/forcefield that allows them to go to the abyss to fight the last boss who's name I forgot.
 
I agree with this

Julius may be stronger, yes, but both Alucard and Yoko still fully capable of harming Soma with their strikes

A second key for Alucard as Genya Arikado should fit better for the scalling
 
I didn't say they weren't tier 2 tho, I just said the ending isn't Canon and Julius has feats of being stronger than Soma and Alucard so saying Genya should scale isn't really true. Yeah he is comparable to Soma but this Soma isn't Soma with Dracs powers which was the Soma that defeated chaos
 
So... i'm a bit confused. Do you agree with Alucard getting a Genya key that's fully tier 2 or no?
 
Yeah, I'm just saying he doesn't scale to Julius or Dark Lord/Awakaned Powers Soma, unless you want a non canon key which I dunno if it is allowed or what even then he is still weaker than the godly Julius
 
Wait, what the hell?

"Universe level+ (Fought and defeated Chaos. More powerful than Dracula ever was. Able to ignore conventional durability with various Souls) | Universe level+ (After awakening his dark side, Soma is the next true Dark Lord and thus Dracula)"

Some with the powers of Drac/Dark Lord is the one that fought and defeated chaos, shouldn't this be changed?
 
I think we're referring to different dark lords.

Soma has always had Dracula's powers. Dark Lord soma's key is explicitly for his evil self.
 
>Soma has always had Dracula's powers.

No? In Aria he needed to awaken that shit to get all powerful and in dawn he absorbed a lot of dark power when the gal killed the Doppelganger.
 
I know Low 2-C comes from Chaos, and Soma has defeated him one on one. But I think there were some arguments and inconsistencies of them being fully backwards scaled to everyone. And as for Alucard, is there a reason to give him a specific key for those games? Also, I think Matt has the best sense of judgement regarding Castlevania.
 
Alucard as Genya has had several hundred years to get stronger, as well as a different appearance/personality as Genya (He even has a separate tabber for Genya on his page already). Julius is also Low 2-C for scaling to Soma, and Alucard has shown to be comparable to him in several instances. I'd be willing to compromise with it also being "At least 4-A, likely Low 2-C" but his feats are significantly higher. I don't think it's inconsistent as it wouldn't backscale into any other games. It would only apply to the three and they'd be somewhat lower in the same tier than Soma is.
 
I actually agree with the Low 2-C stuff, I always did since the start, but I guess I never worded it properly.

Even if it isn't canon, it's still a noticeable "What if?" feat to take into account, after all, a good chunk of the Kirby cast scales to non-canon "What if?" stuff out of it showcasing potential feats the cast can actually do, the same applying here, unless you want to pull the outlier card or something, but that's another story.
 
I'd like to update the thread. After some discussion, I'd like to add a third key for Soma.

Key: Base | Dark Lord | Full Power

Justification being that his full power was able to defeat Chaos, whereas his Dark Lord incarnation wasn't able to handle its full power. He was far weaker in Dawn of Sorrow than he was at the end of Aria of Sorrow as Tony helpfully informed.
 
I agree with a third key for Soma, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut there is a problem

If his Dark Lord self is weaker than when Soma defeated Chaos, which is why he scales to Low 2-C...Then Alucard's second key for fighting Dark Lord Soma will not be Low 2-C since that Soma doesn't scale to Chaos anymore

But we can scale Dark Lord Soma and Genya to julius, who was able to defeat Aria of Sorrow Soma, however I dunno if Soma was just Low 2-C at that point in game
 
Yeah, we should be careful when backwards scaling Chaos to everyone.
 
So Full Power Aria of Sorrow Soma scales to Julius

Full Power Aria of Sorrow Soma defeated Chaos, who's Low 2-C

Dark Lord Dawn of Sorrow Soma is able to fight Julius

Genya is able to fight Dark Lord Dawn of Sorrow Soma

So Low 2-C for them ?
 
But isn't the same then? The whole "Dark Lord Soma succumbed to the power of Chaos and lost" and "Soma managed to control that power long enough to fight Chaos, the source of the power, and defeated him" loses meaning here
 
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