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The God of War Vs The Dark Slayer (1-4-0)

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Hello bois, this shall be interesting

In on side, the Ghost of Sparta and God of War, Kratos, on the other, the Dark Slayer and Son of Sparda, Vergil

- Both Low 2-C, Kratos from end of GOW2 and Revided DMC5 Vergil here

- Speed is Equal

- They are 200 meters away from each other

- Both in character


The God of War: 1 (Obi)

The Dark Slayer: 4 (Tony, Kira, Necro and Mister)

Inconclsuive:
 
Beginning of GOW2 kratos had the ability to grow above the clouds, command legions of men to do his will, make weapons appear out of thin air, and was the full fledged crowned God of War. I would recommend not using this version of Kratos as there are a lot of inconsistencies and variables at play considering he had all the abilities and powers ares had and then some.
 
Also, should clarify which kratos it is. There is norse and greek, and multiple greek games. Honestly, fight would be a lot better if norse was used because greek kratos has way too much hax,
 
Obi2cool4kenobi said:
Also, should clarify which kratos it is. There is norse and greek, and multiple greek games. Honestly, fight would be a lot better if norse was used because greek kratos has way too much hax,
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Norse Kratos is 4-A or 2-C, while Vergil is 3-A or Low 2-C, it doesn't work

Greek Kratos as the God of War, so it's Kratos from the beggining of the game
 
If it's beginning of GOW 2 kratos, there are a lot of inconsistencies because he had like a minute of screentime, but he was nowhere near as strong as he was at the end of GOW 2. Atlas would destroy kratos at this stage, so it might go to vergil.
 
Time manipulation, petrification, energy projection, madness manipulation, are some of his lighter abilities. Not to mention vergil's best weapon the yamato can not only be completely negated, but redirected using the golden fleece. Other abilities include homing attacks, can create black holes, absorption, explosion manipulation, power nullification, and a lot of resistances. Vegil is powerful with the yamato, but kratos would completely counter it, rendering it useless.
 
Resistant to the Following: Telepathy/Illusions (Broke free of a hostile demonic illusion that was able to drive normal people mad), Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, Reality Warping, Transmutation, Size Manipulation, Petrification (Demons are stated to be resistant to the Beastheads assimilation process, which includes those abilities, scaling from Dante), Soul Manipulation (Scales from other demons, who can handle going through the crust of the demon world, which is stated to turn souls into monsters), Biological Manipulation (Is capable of wielding the Force Edge without turning into a giant blob monster like Arkham), Paralysis Inducement (Is capable of fighting off the Soul Eaters, who are stated to paralyze their prey), Corruption (Type 3. Can breathe on demonic air, which turns normal people into monsters), likely Sealing with Yamato (It can cut through and create portals between the Human and Demon World, said dimensions had their connection sealed by Sparda in the past), Madness Manipulation (Type 3, endured being in the Demon World, which causes despair and insanity), Disease Manipulation (Approaching the Demon World, being inside or near a Demon World nexus causes "unearthly illness" which makes it difficult to concentrate and causes intense nausea and dizziness) and Fear Manipulation (Casually fights demons, and their presence can cause fear), Time Stop (Unaffected by Dante's Time Stop), and Mind Manipulation (Battled against Mundus' control over his mind and body during the game)

Black holes are useless at the speeds they have, how does his absorption works? How does the explosion manip works? How does the PN works?

I mean, the golden fleece is good and all but the Judgements Cuts are some sort of AoE that can engulf Kratos whole body, and unless he has resistance or the fleece has resistance to spatial manip, it is moot.

And another thing, if DMC5 Dante and EoG GoW 3 Kratos were deemed comparable then here then Vergil here has the AP advantage
 
The fleece isn't just a parry move, it blocks as well. Only thing out of all of those that might hold some solid merit would be sealing, but vegil would have to start out with it which would be OOC
 
A lot of kratos' hax come from his weapons and abilities. Whether his absorption would actually work here I honestly don't know becasue he obtained the Scourge of Erinys in ghost of sparta, but he still had it as the god of war in the beginning of GOW 2. It works by unleashing dark voids. https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge_of_Erinys. Explosion manip works with the spear of destiny.
 
Obi2cool4kenobi said:
The fleece isn't just a parry move, it blocks as well. Only thing out of all of those that might hold some solid merit would be sealing, but vegil would have to start out with it which would be OOC
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Yamato spatial manip is with every slash, not just JC.

Not only that but JC is very in character.

In short, if he lacks resistance then Vergil cuts it along with Kratos and he goes to his merry way.
 
Obi2cool4kenobi said:
A lot of kratos' hax come from his weapons and abilities. Whether his absorption would actually work here I honestly don't know becasue he obtained the Scourge of Erinys in ghost of sparta, but he still had it as the god of war in the beginning of GOW 2. It works by unleashing dark voids. https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge_of_Erinys. Explosion manip works with the spear of destiny.
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I know but I want to know how it works.

Explotion manip is useless then as it works on AP.
 
Tony di bugalu said:
Obi2cool4kenobi said:
A lot of kratos' hax come from his weapons and abilities. Whether his absorption would actually work here I honestly don't know becasue he obtained the Scourge of Erinys in ghost of sparta, but he still had it as the god of war in the beginning of GOW 2. It works by unleashing dark voids. https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge_of_Erinys. Explosion manip works with the spear of destiny.
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I know but I want to know how it works.
Explotion manip is useless then as it works on AP.
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Like I said, a lot of his hax comes from his weapons and magic abilities he has in his kit. Also, I forgot that the blade of olympus had sealing as well, as it can banish beings to tartarus. All the formalities out of the way, I will give yamato the benefit of the doubt and say that it is more powerful than any weapon kratos used besides the blade, so it will come down to which is stronger, the blade of olympus, or yamato.
 
Obi2cool4kenobi said:
Also, listing kratos' resistances since ascension would literally be a page long.
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Resistance to Time Stop (Overpowered the abilities of the Amulet of Uroborus several times in his fight against Castor & Pollux, which was also confirmed by the developers) Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Resisted Persephone trying to persuade him into letting the gods die), Limited Resistance to Sleep Manipulation (Was the only person in the world not to be immediately affected by Morpheus seizing power. However, with prolonged exposure to the fog, he eventually succumbed). Resistance to Power Nullification, Resistance to Petrification and Madness Manipulation (Activating the Rage of the Titans immediately breaks Kratos out of petrification and makes him immune to the song of a Siren, which can drive a man mad) Resistance to Fate Manipulation (The Sisters of Fate, who determine the destinies of the Gods and Titans, were unable to use their powers to actually force Kratos to lose, resulting in Kratos killing them instead), Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Pulled his soul back from being ripped by Hades. Resisted the powers of Poseidon's Trident).

All of Kratos listed resistances Pre-End of Gow 3/Power of Hope.
 
Quite honestly, I wish the fight was between Norse mythology kratos and DMC 5 vergil. Wish the tiers would align with each other.
 
Obi2cool4kenobi said:
I meant hax and abilities since ascension, not just resistances. Apologies
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It's cool. Honestly, they may not be as much as other characters but they seem to be really effective. Also, is it just me or does resisting planetary sleep hax for possibly hours warrant more than just limited resistance?
 
Honestly, I think it's because he ultimately succumbed to it, instead of actually completely resisting it. Also, it was before he was a god, so a lot of his feats were "downgraded" per say.
 
Also, I replayed DMC 5 lately, and vergil seems like a very lax fighter. He kind of circles his opponent a lot, and relies on his excellent defense. He uses a lot of homing attacks, and doesn't really go offensive until he uses his majin form.
 
>Also, I forgot that the blade of olympus had sealing as well, as it can banish beings to tartarus

That's not sealing, that's BFR which is Muda since Veegil can just open a portal back.

@Planck

So no resistance to space manip? Then Vergil cuts him in half.

>Also, I replayed DMC 5 lately, and vergil seems like a very lax fighter. He kind of circles his opponent a lot, and relies on his excellent defense. He uses a lot of homing attacks, and doesn't really go offensive until he uses his majin form.

That's game play tho, we use it but it's not very consistent. The Manga, DMC3 and 1 (besides 5) shows him as someone ruthless who goes to the offensive ASAP.
 
Tony di bugalu said:
>Also, I forgot that the blade of olympus had sealing as well, as it can banish beings to tartarus
That's not sealing, that's BFR which is Muda since Veegil can just open a portal back.

@Planck

So no resistance to space manip? Then Vergil cuts him in half.

>Also, I replayed DMC 5 lately, and vergil seems like a very lax fighter. He kind of circles his opponent a lot, and relies on his excellent defense. He uses a lot of homing attacks, and doesn't really go offensive until he uses his majin form.

That's game play tho, we use it but it's not very consistent. The Manga, DMC3 and 1 (besides 5) shows him as someone ruthless who goes to the offensive ASAP.
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Vegil doesn't have resistance to space manip either
 
Kratos is acasual, closest thing he has to resisting spacial manip. Doesn't really matter though because the blade is well above yamato's paygrade and would just absorb the spacial cut entirely. Vergil is working against the clock in this fight really bad.
 
Acausality doesn't grant you resistance to space manip.

Do you know how hax and resistances work?

This match comes down to, can Kratos use any hax that works before Vergil goes ham on his ass?

And so, I vote for Vergil slash GG
 
Yamato wouldn't work. The blade would just absorb the strike entirely. Vergil gets soloed by the blade itself, gets his powers absorbed and makes kratos stronger.
 
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