The God of War Vs The Dark Slayer (1-4-0)

[Tony_di_bugalu]

>Yamato wouldn't work

No resistance to space manip

>The blade would just absorb the strike entirely.

Vergil cuts the sword in half with Yamato.

>Vergil gets soloed by the blade itself, gets his powers absorbed and makes kratos stronger.

Proof he can do this? I remember that Kratos explicitly had to pour his power into the blade to use it, i.e. It isn't combat applicable.

On top of that Vergil has the AP advantage, he will break Kratos with every strike.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

No.The blade can absorb anything, it can absorb time itself. It absorbed kronos' powers over time, and he invented time itself. Yamato doesn't cut the blade in half, it's actually the other way around. The blade can one-shot being much more powerful than vergil. The blade can absorb godly essences.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

The blade is well beyond anything vergil has ever dealt with.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

No.The blade can absorb anything, it can absorb time itself. It absorbed kronos' powers over time, and he invented time itself. Yamato doesn't cut the blade in half, it's actually the other way around. The blade can one-shot being much more powerful than vergil. The blade can absorb godly essences.

NLF

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The blade is well beyond anything vergil has ever dealt with.

Lolno

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Kratos didn't put his godly powers into the blade to use it, he was tricked by zeus to do it because of the ancient laws, no god could attack or kill another god, so when kratos put his godhood into the blade, zeus was therefore able to kill him and wasn't bound to the ancient laws. You can say no all you want, the blade is well beyond anything vergil has ever faced.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Yamato ignores any durability thanks to its Space Hax, a slash from Vergil can cut the Sword and Kratos into pieces since they are vulnerable to Space Hax, that's what Tony is saying, it's simple

Also, Kratos doesn't start with the Blade of Olympus, his in character first move are the Blades of Chaos/Exile

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

The blade of olympus doesn't have durability, it absorbed anything. It absorbed time itself from its creator. The blade would absorb the spacial cut. Also, as I mentioned earlier about game mechanics, we don't talk about game mechanics since in-game kratos can only use the blade during his rage mode. During all cutscenes he always uses the blade against zeus, nothing else.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Kratos didn't put his godly powers into the blade to use it, he was tricked by zeus to do it because of the ancient laws, no god could attack or kill another god, so when kratos put his godhood into the blade, zeus was therefore able to kill him and wasn't bound to the ancient laws. You can say no all you want, the blade is well beyond anything vergil has ever faced.

He was told that he could use the sword to destroy the colossus with it if he poured his power, it didn't absorb the powers of Kratos on its own.

The ancient law was put there by Zeus to not have another war, God's could kill themselves if they wanted but since daddy Zeus didn't want another fight...

There is nothing more to that.

So, uh, yeah, the blade is nothing special.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

That's exactly what I'm saying, the Blade can absorb, but Kratos doesn't start with it, his in character first move are the Blade of Chaos, while Vergil starts with Yamato's Slash, how Kratos will survive since he doesn't start with the Blade ? That's Tony's argument which is enough for a vote in Vergil's favor until you, maybe, debunk it

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Kratos didn't put his godly powers into the blade to use it, he was tricked by zeus to do it because of the ancient laws, no god could attack or kill another god, so when kratos put his godhood into the blade, zeus was therefore able to kill him and wasn't bound to the ancient laws. You can say no all you want, the blade is well beyond anything vergil has ever faced.

He was told that he could use the sword to destroy the colossus with it if he poured his power, it didn't absorb the powers of Kratos on its own.
The ancient law was put there by Zeus to not have another war, God's could kill themselves if they wanted but since daddy Zeus didn't want another fight...

There is nothing more to that.

So, uh, yeah, the blade is nothing special.

No, kratos put his godly powers into the blade himself because he was tricked by zeus to do so. The ancient laws prevented gods from interfering with another god, a god can not kill another god no matter what. This is explained in the novels, so he had kratos give away his godhood so he could therefore kill him. Kratos might have been able to kill other gods at the start of GOW 2, but he couldn't, he would just try to piss them off indirectly. The only thing vergil can do is seal since even the POH can be sealed, but he would have to start out with it.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

That is why gods have champions, that's why the events of GOW 1 even happened, and zeus needed a champion to stop ares, so he choose Kratos.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

>This is explained in the novels

Can you link me that or post a scan?

>the only thing vergil can do is seal since even the POH can be sealed, but he would have to start out with it.

This Kratos lacks PoH and Vergil just slashes GG, dunno why you keep going on

 

[ShivaShakti]

Bruh moment

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Are you voting?

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

"The series' story centers around its playable character, Kratos, a brutal and tormented Spartan warrior, tricked and tortured by the Olympian God Ares, who was forced to serve as a Champion for the Gods, fighting wars and slaying beasts in their names, while trying to escape the horrors of his past. "

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That doesn't tell me that Gods can't kill each other tho

 

[ShivaShakti]

Gonna vote Vergil FRA

Judgement cut GG Kratos falls in half

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

What's the AP advantage here, because I honestly have no clue how far either character is above baseline with this certain key tbh

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

I sent Kep the link to this thread as well since he was the one to say the blade is above yamato, but whether he participates is entirely up to him. He is very busy atm

 

[Kepekley23]

> The ancient law was put there by Zeus to not have another war, God's could kill themselves if they wanted but since daddy Zeus didn't want another fight...

This is not true.

• "Ares is not playing nice with the other Olympians. Zeus has grown tired of his mischief, but there are certain rules that must be obeyed -- even by the gods. It seems that Olympians can't face each other directly..."

The laws Zeus set for the gods are absolute and bind even him. The only reason why the Gods could murder each other come GoW3 was because the Sisters of Fate had died, and thus the natural law of reality went away with them. This is explicitly stated.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

> The ancient law was put there by Zeus to not have another war, God's could kill themselves if they wanted but since daddy Zeus didn't want another fight...
This is not true.

• "Ares is not playing nice with the other Olympians. Zeus has grown tired of his mischief, but there are certain rules that must be obeyed -- even by the gods. It seems that Olympians can't face each other directly..."

The laws Zeus set for the gods are absolute and bind even him. The only reason why the Gods could murder each other come GoW3 was because the Sisters of Fate had died, and thus the natural law of reality went away with them. This is explicitly stated.

So the laws were directly connected to reality, or the fates?

 

[Kepekley23]

Well, yeah, as Thanatos said it; "the gods decide, and the Fates make it so."

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Well, yeah, as Thanatos said it; "the gods decide, and the Fates make it so."

Ok, that was the only part that I wasn't sure of. Thanks for clarification. Also, what about yamato and the blade?

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Gonna vote kratos via blade and absorption

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Tbf it can be interpreted as Zeus don't wanting another war but I'm not commenting on that. Also, what was the point of this part again? :v

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Gonna vote kratos via blade and absorption

Already shot down that. Of course, I can't force you to accept something you don't want.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Gonna vote kratos via blade and absorption

Already shot down that. Of course, I can't force you to accept something you don't want.

How did you "shoot" it down?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

>Yamato wouldn't work

No resistance to space manip

>The blade would just absorb the strike entirely.

Vergil cuts the sword in half with Yamato.

>Vergil gets soloed by the blade itself, gets his powers absorbed and makes kratos stronger.

Proof he can do this? I remember that Kratos explicitly had to pour his power into the blade to use it, i.e. It isn't combat applicable.

On top of that Vergil has the AP advantage, he will break Kratos with every strike.

^

 

[ShivaShakti]

The Blade of Olympus only absorbs an enemy's power after cutting them down with it.

Not very combat applicable as Kratos would need to kill Vergil to even absorb his powers.

 

[Necromercer]

yeah, gonna vote Vergil here. why? FRA.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The Blade of Olympus only absorbs an enemy's power after cutting them down with it.

When did that happen again? He didn't absorb Athena's powers to my knowledge, neither Kronos, nor Zeus when he stabbed him in 2, nor Gaia when he killed her in 3.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

All that's NLF by feats shown. Yamato can't cut down everything and everyone, or it would've sliced devil sword sparda in half in 5 the first time they made contact, and the sparda sword is only a tier 7-B sword unless wielded by dante or sparda. The sword itself doesn't have any listed resistance to space manip either. The blade of olympus effortlessly sank through the strongest version of kratos we have, which is the POH version, when fear zeus was harming himself by even trying to attack kratos.

By shown feats Dante would not tank Persephone's death explosion which blasted away the top of the World Pillar

Atlas effortlessly tanked it without even moving. Atlas would've gotten one shotted by the blade, or zeus' lightning. Kratos got hit by zeus' lightning attack at the beginning of 3 and took absolutely no damage when it almost killed Gaia.

Also, yes kronos did get powernulled by the blade. The blade get's stronger everytime it absorbes someone's power. "Tier: At least 3-A, likely Low 2-C to 2-C, possibly higher depending on who it absorbs"

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

As for the main argument Spacial Manip, Spatial Manip IS durability negating hax, but at the same time, it kinda feels like a NLF

considering how much punishment Kratos's weathered

with hardly any effort

 

[Planck69]

As for the main argument Spacial Manip, Spatial Manip IS durability negating hax, but at the same time, it kinda feels like a NLF

considering how much punishment Kratos's weathered

with hardly any effort

Dude, that's not how that works. It wouldn't matter if an opponent was a super durable 3-A while you're 9-B. If you have durability negation with spatial-hax and the other guy has no resistance, he's going down if the 9-B's attack lands.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

>All that's NLF by feats shown. Yamato can't cut down everything and everyone, or it would've sliced devil sword sparda in half in 5 the first time they made contact

When did that happen? LMAO

By feats it has everything going for it, Nero arm, Arkham, Dante who gets impaled/cut by it everytime they fight (despite his resistance but it could be AP).

>The blade of olympus effortlessly sank through the strongest version of kratos we have, which is the POH version, when fear zeus was harming himself by even trying to attack kratos.

And? Kratos is the one who did it.

>By shown feats Dante would not tank Persephone's death explosion which blasted away the top of the World Pillar

And? Even if this was true it has nothing to do here.

>Atlas effortlessly tanked it without even moving. Atlas would've gotten one shotted by the blade, or zeus' lightning. Kratos got hit by zeus' lightning attack at the beginning of 3 and took absolutely no damage when it almost killed Gaia.

Higher AP/Durability, meaninglessness when Kratos at his strongest was deemed to be equal with DMC5 Dante, who is equal to Vergil.

>Also, yes kronos did get powernulled by the blade.

He didn't get power nulled, he got stabbed and killed by it. Or can you post me a scan or link me something saying it power nulled his ass?

>The blade get's stronger everytime it absorbes someone's power. "Tier: At least 3-A, likely Low 2-C to 2-C, possibly higher depending on who it absorbs"

When did that happen again? He didn't absorb Athena's powers to my knowledge, neither cronos, nor Zeus when he stabbed him in 2, nor Gaia when he killed her in 3.

Again, Vergil has the AP advantage here, the skill and the hax, him getting impaled before JC GG is very unlikely.

 

[Kepekley23]

Vergil definitely has no AP advantage over Kratos.

End of God of War 2 Kratos is the exact same as Beginning of GoW3 Kratos (literally takes place minutes later), who completely tanked a charged-up lightning bolt from Zeus. Odds are that blast would vaporize Vergil.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

>All that's NLF by feats shown. Yamato can't cut down everything and everyone, or it would've sliced devil sword sparda in half in 5 the first time they made contact

When did that happen? LMAO

Literally the first cutscene after V merges with urizen and vergil appears. Dante charges vergil and vergil charges at him with more momentum and the blades collide. Then vergil says "defeating you like this, has no meaning. Heal your wounds dante, get strong, and after that, we'll settle the matter."

 

[Kepekley23]

The Blade of Olympus only absorbs an enemy's power after cutting them down with it.

Not very combat applicable as Kratos would need to kill Vergil to even absorb his powers.

This is not true either, considering the Blade of Olympus was shown to absorb the godly power inside the Colossus.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

< By feats it has everything going for it, Nero arm, Arkham, Dante who gets impaled/cut by it everytime they fight (despite his resistance but it could be AP).

I would defnitely say this is AP considering vergil and dante in 5 are consdiered equal, but I am not against ruling out that it is because of how powerful the spacial manip is on yamato.