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Legend of Zelda Golden Goddesses 2-C downgrade

AwkguyDB

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Din, Farore, and Nayru are all 2-C for being able to create two timelines together. However, considering that a certain verse I won't mention was stopped from being upgraded with the same type of feat, heck even better since it would of took two instead of three, how does this justify each character with a 2-C rating? Each character in my opinion should be half or 1/3rd 2-C or Low 2-C.

So to summarize:

. Din, Farore, Nayru and anyone who scales to them should all be Low 2-C being that the creation of two timelines was a shared feat.
 
Sera EX said:
There's more than one reason DB GoDs aren't 2-C. "Joint feat" is very low on that list.
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I remember the Joint Feat being the main reason because characters who are 2x can be 2-C. But anyways I'm still confused on how this is more of a 2-C feat for them individually especially when there's three of them.
 
Because creating timelines =/= creating a big enough boom to cover a quilted multiverse.

This will be my only take on the subject.
 
Doesn't it say there are many universes tho?
 
I'm just not seeing how this makes each one of them 2-C like shouldn't they need to individually make two timelines for them to be justified for 2-C?
 
I think Matthew went in detail once about how there can be multiple universal space-time continuums and still be part of a larger timeline/multiverse.
 
AKM sama said:
I think Matthew went in detail once about how there can be multiple universal space-time continuums and still be part of a larger timeline/multiverse.
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Yeah I understand that but is there anything proving each of those Universes have their own Space-Time?
 
If you want an another reason, Din created matter, Nayru Laws (of physics and whatever), Farore created life.

Only one of the three created the timelines, and the three of them are comparable to each other.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
If you want an another reason, Din created matter, Nayru Laws (of physics and whatever), Farore created life.
Only one of the three created the timelines, and the three of them are comparable to each other.
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Who created the timeline though I don't see anything that specifies that a single entity created the multiverse but rather a collective between the three applying the three parts as you said, Matter, Physics and Life which are all 3D concepts.
 
Nayru created the Laws of physics and magic.

Spoilers, but physics contains time, too. You can also go through elimination if you want.
 
Why would you ever assume different physics when everytime something obviously abonormal happens, is by outright magic or someone with powers? Hyrule is no different than our world in nearly everything.
 
That was answering Aw asking who created the timeline, so Triforce cleared that Nayru created the laws of physics, which would include time. So she should be responsible for creating the time itself for both timelines.
 
Even assuming it was a joint feat, I wanna know why suddenly 2-C/3 = Low 2-C, I thought we literally had rules saying you can't go from Low 2-C to 2-C via multipliers.

"Due to the fact that the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A."

Also how is termina a 3D universe when it clearly follows it's own space-time? Same with Realm of the Ocean King, what takes Link days to complete his quest is like 10 minutes in the Hyrule Universe.

There's clearly more then 2 timelines.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
Even assuming it was a joint feat, I wanna know why suddenly 2-C/3 = Low 2-C, I thought we literally had rules saying you can't go from Low 2-C to 2-C via multipliers.
"Due to the fact that the distance between any given number of universes embedded in higher-dimensional / higher-order spaces is currently unknowable, it is impossible to quantify the numerical gap between each one of the subtiers in Tier 2. As such, it is not allowed to upgrade such a character based solely on multipliers. For example, someone twice as strong as a Low 2-C character would still be Low 2-C, and someone infinitely more powerful than a 2-C would not be 2-A."

Also how is termina a 3D universe when it clearly follows it's own space-time? Same with Realm of the Ocean King, what takes Link days to complete his quest is like 10 minutes in the Hyrule Universe.

There's clearly more then 2 timelines.
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This is where their profiles need to be updated to where it states that the multiple universes that are created each have their own space time. Because as it looks its just numerous 3D Universes within 2 timelines. Yes logically you can't nor shouldn't be going into 2-C with multipliers, but this apparently is not the case for all verses so I'm really trying to figure out why similar feats are treated differently. If you destroy/create more than one timeline regardless of who helps you or not you should be 2-C.
 
Termina probably has a separate space time than Hyrule. The World of the Ocean King is confirmed to have a separate one. The chamber of the giants is unaffected by Link reversing time in MM.
 
Why do we even assume 3D universes for Zelda exactly? The general assumption for something being a parallel universe is that it's a seperate space-time, where has Zelda come in and shown something falls under the same flow of time.

Termina should logically have a seperate space-time.
 
Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
Actually, what proof do we have that the Golden Goddesses created the entire universe, or were even behind the timeline split, for that matter?
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The literal opening statement of their creation myth is that they arrived during an era of chaos and before time existed.

cha┬Àos

the formless matter supposed to have existed before the creation of the universe.

So they easily created the entire universe. ALTTP's opening further supports this.

For your second argument, Downfall Timeline is another universe, not a split like the child/adult timeline so it's another universe they created.

There's also the zelda enclyopedia site that stated their potent breath made millions of universes but people wanna try to argue that non-canon so whatevs.
 
If each of the universes within the timelines respectifly have their own space time then I think that's good justification for their 2-C rating. Do you have proof that the realms have their own separate time-spaces?
 
You want me to prove that something called a seperate timeline has it's own space-time?

Or do you specifically need proof of the universes within the timeline?

Cause Termina is called an alternate universe, which the general assumption is a seperate space-time.

Realm of the Ocean King's events happen in an entire day yet when the return back to their main universe one of the pirates points out 10 minutes haven't even passed.

https://youtu.be/2zRY5upnbpU?t=682
 
No, it did not. It said that before time began, they "descended upon the chaos that was Hyrule". This implies that not everything was chaotic, only Hyrule, and it does not specify that they are the ones who started time.

The Link to the Past opening says nothing about the Golden Goddesses nor their creation.

Where is it stated to be another universe? Even if it was, AND even if the Golden Goddesses created a universe, it was a different set of Golden Goddesses than ours, just like Lorule and their upside down Triforce.
 
Sean do you not realize that hyrule in the context is referring to the world? Which is clearly in this context the universe.

http://www.zeldalegends.net/view/text/z3translation/z3_manual_story.html

A very very long time ago, before people appeared, nothing existed but chaos. In that world the gods came down and with their respective power, order and life was built. In the times long past, before man first emerged, the gods descended upon the world when it was nothing but chaos. Using their various abilities, they brought order and life to the world.


It's literally called an alternate world. Sean that's a pure assumption, literally nothing in series states there's multiple sets of GGs, it's always 3.
 
...So you're telling me that Hyrule is being referred to as the entire universe in these stories, instead of the whole planet which would make much more sense?

So you're trying to say that the Golden Goddesses also flew into Lorule and did the exact same thing, except with an upside down Triforce this time? I'm pretty sure that the upside down Triforce is supposed to imply that different people made it, there is no indication that they made every Triforce either.
 
AKM sama said:
I think Matthew went in detail once about how there can be multiple universal space-time continuums and still be part of a larger timeline/multiverse.
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Brane Cosmology, multiple chronal dimensions, etc etc.

Such an interpretation requires evidence in the work itself, however.
 
Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
...So you're telling me that Hyrule is being referred to as the entire universe in these stories, instead of the whole planet which would make much more sense?
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The Hyrule Historia outright states the Goddesses created both the Heavens and the Earth.
 
Pretty sure there were also statements about the existence of "Alternate Realities".
 
I know it does. That's not even the thing I was arguing against.

You seemed to believe the creation myth wasn't referring to the entire universe, just Hyrule, so I decided to err on the side of caution there. If that isn't what you're arguing though, carry on.
 
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