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Natsu vs Meliodas Redux (Full Power Versions, Cause why the F*ck not, I dont have to debate this)
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This Natsu also starts dying pretty fast. Like, he's being burned by his own flames.
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^Not really, his battle lasted quite a bit and his stamina wasn't hindered by the damage to his arms
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Didn't he only do like two attacks with this fire before Lucy stopped him?
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^No, he clobbered Mercuphobia with quite a few attacks, the only reason he stopped was because Lucy stopped him, he could've kept fighting no problem
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I meant like, within the span of those attacks, his arms were burned to the point where you could see the muscle under the skin.
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^Just vote brah
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no
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Not gonna vote just gonna post the AP for Meliodas in case people are wondering how far above baseline he is.
Post-Purgatory Meliodas w/ True Magic ~ Demon King Possessing Meliodas/Zeldris >> 50% Demon King >> Prime Assault Mode Meliodas >> Prime Demon Mark Meliodas ~ Prime Elizabeth >> Indura Monspeet >= Indura Derieri >> True Body Ludoshel = Baseline Low 6-B.
Post-Purgatory Meliodas w/ True Magic is currently assumed to be around the same level as Demon King possessing Meliodas/Zeldris at full power. Demon King possessing one of his sons at full power is stronger than his weakened state. 50% Demon King is ridiculously more powerful than Prime Assault Mode Meliodas. Prime Assault Mode Meliodas is far more powerful than his Demon Mark state which is probably the form he stated is powerful enough to cancel out Elizabeth's magic since Assault Mode didn't appear in the story yet. Prime Elizabeth simultaneously held back both Indura Monspeet and Derieri. The latter was able to easily no sell attacks and than overpower True Body Ludoshel who is baseline Low 6-B.
Post-Purgatory Meliodas w/ True Magic ~ Demon King Possessing Meliodas/Zeldris >> 50% Demon King >> Prime Assault Mode Meliodas >> Prime Demon Mark Meliodas ~ Prime Elizabeth >> Indura Monspeet >= Indura Derieri >> True Body Ludoshel = Baseline Low 6-B.
Post-Purgatory Meliodas w/ True Magic is currently assumed to be around the same level as Demon King possessing Meliodas/Zeldris at full power. Demon King possessing one of his sons at full power is stronger than his weakened state. 50% Demon King is ridiculously more powerful than Prime Assault Mode Meliodas. Prime Assault Mode Meliodas is far more powerful than his Demon Mark state which is probably the form he stated is powerful enough to cancel out Elizabeth's magic since Assault Mode didn't appear in the story yet. Prime Elizabeth simultaneously held back both Indura Monspeet and Derieri. The latter was able to easily no sell attacks and than overpower True Body Ludoshel who is baseline Low 6-B.
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AP's not really the thing that matters, but Natsu is stronger due to calcs, we're not arguing scaling chains
Dragon Irene<Dark Form August<Base Zeref<DF Natsu<<<Fairy Heart Zeref<Savage Dragon Fire Natsu<Mercuphobia 50%<Ignia's Power Natsu
Natsu has a slight AP advantage, that's not what matters in this battle tho
Dragon Irene<Dark Form August<Base Zeref<DF Natsu<<<Fairy Heart Zeref<Savage Dragon Fire Natsu<Mercuphobia 50%<Ignia's Power Natsu
Natsu has a slight AP advantage, that's not what matters in this battle tho
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Irene is 2.1 teratons btw
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The difference between FH Zeref and DF Natsu is that FH Zeref oneshot DF Natsu.
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The difference between FH Zeref and DF Natsu is that FH Zeref oneshot DF Natsu.
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Copy paste from last thread
Meliodas is 1 T
While Natsu is 4.2 Teratons
In previous thread, many ppl say and accept that after meal full counter Natsu flame, it's not Natsu flame anymore here So natsu can easily consume them and powerup
AM meliodas love to use hellfire which can be good food for Natsu, and he will gain those flame power.
Meliodas Regenerationn is limited so after a long battle, his Regenerationn is not going to be a problem for Natsu since meliodas Regenerationn is based on stamina. And not forget that Natsu has good sensing, attack prediction with his dragon sense, AM never shown to be use revenge counter and it's very unlikely for him to do that since he needs to let himself open and absorb damage.
With good ap advantage,fire absorption+static amplification Natsu can take it mid difficulty
If anyone says FC still work then
-Natsu is immune to his own flame so fc can't do anything
-even if it do something Natsu can battle like this(look at this sca)
Meliodas is 1 T
While Natsu is 4.2 Teratons
In previous thread, many ppl say and accept that after meal full counter Natsu flame, it's not Natsu flame anymore here So natsu can easily consume them and powerup
AM meliodas love to use hellfire which can be good food for Natsu, and he will gain those flame power.
Meliodas Regenerationn is limited so after a long battle, his Regenerationn is not going to be a problem for Natsu since meliodas Regenerationn is based on stamina. And not forget that Natsu has good sensing, attack prediction with his dragon sense, AM never shown to be use revenge counter and it's very unlikely for him to do that since he needs to let himself open and absorb damage.
With good ap advantage,fire absorption+static amplification Natsu can take it mid difficulty
If anyone says FC still work then
-Natsu is immune to his own flame so fc can't do anything
-even if it do something Natsu can battle like this(look at this sca)
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^Natsu Dragneel the Dragon King FRA!
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Assault mode??? This isn't AM Mel
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This is DK Mel who doesn't use hellfire or Full Counter
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Tbf this battle shouldn't have ever been made. We haven't even seen this Mel fight. We saw him do one thing literally
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Natsu has Mid Regen negation yes?
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natsu my reasons are simple... meliodas can have 5 clones who can all full counter which can serve as defense for natsus long range magic and close range magical infuse punches... which would leave natsu to use close combat with raw physical power only and hes not beating meliodas like that.. and yes he can eat the fire thats countered thats fine its just so his long range becomes useless.... plus vanish counter if anything and if all else fails revenge counter will end it for sure.
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Meliodas hasn't used Lostvayne or Full Counter at all in this key.
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Meliodas has never ever used clones the second he has activated any of his demon powers, he's done clones on only 3 occasions and he was in base form and the clones didn't do jack, and since this battle is in character, I doubt he'd do that
Regardless everything else is a good argument, so vote counted
Regardless everything else is a good argument, so vote counted
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Meliodas scales far higher than Baseline, so no
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That's like putting Post Purgatory Ban in a vs thread and saying that he's going to use Snatch. It's blatantly not true when you've see him fight and he didn't use it a single time. Not against the Demon King possessing Mel and not against the Indura Spores that were about to spread around the country. Saying "He has it so why wouldn't he use it" ignores the actual fights that the character has been in and not used it.Zezu1995 said:
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Hope you don't get a headache, Mitch.
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I won't hopefully, I still think this is a fairly close matchup, so most arguments have good reasoning and logic behind them, which should make this interesting, I honestly think this match could go either way
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Still trying to se why this thread is opened. The fact that Mel has no showings in this key means this thread should be closed
We don't even know what he can do.
We don't even know what he can do.
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Anyway
Natsu pulls a Cole and beats the shit out of him using his AP and regen negation
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Natsu pulls a Cole and beats the shit out of him using his AP and regen negation
End.
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so cuz someone current dont use an ability means they cant? i know why ban dont use his drain cuz if he uses too much it can damage his body hes not immortal anymore so he cant be risky and snatch can be bypass via durability but if he drains u first its over... anyways like i said they use the ability before we understand how it works.... i dont see why i cant use it.
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No, I said there was a difference between if you can do something and if you will do something. The former means that you are not able to do it even if you wanted to and the latter is that you are able to do it but either the idea doesn't come to you or you choose not to. Besides the drain, Ban could've used Snatch to grab the spores.
" anyways like i said they use the ability before we understand how it works.... i dont see why i cant use it."
What do you mean? We understand how Snatch and Full Counter works.
As for your arguments about the clones, he doesn't have Lostvayne to be able to do that.
" anyways like i said they use the ability before we understand how it works.... i dont see why i cant use it."
What do you mean? We understand how Snatch and Full Counter works.
As for your arguments about the clones, he doesn't have Lostvayne to be able to do that.
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Alright, that was my b.
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To be fair, Astral does have a good point about Meliodas only just now using this new form in combat. This is giving me flashbacks to when Natsu just got the form in this key and a match was immediately made before he even finished the fight where the form was introduced.
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