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Hmm, hello. We will discuss whether Naruto dodged from the laser or Madara's movement.
THE SPEED OF THE ATTACK IS NOT DISCUSSED HERE
Argument from here
In the first scan, it is clearly seen that when Naruto attempted to smack Madara with the rod, he was directly in front of him in that instance. After Madara summons the limbo clone, we can see Naruto is now held in place and is no longer moving. In short, this only establishes that both Madara and Naruto are facing each other directly. In addition you can see that when Naruto attacked he held the rod right above his head and brought it straight down, where it was stopped by the limbo clone. Just by looking at the image, we can tell that the rod is also directly infront of Naruto too.
Then as you can all see, on the first panel of the second scan, we find that the feat has only occurred in one panel. There seems to be no way to tell whether Naruto avoided the beam or the swing. However, there are small details that make difference and tell us what happened. I took the liberty of making them more apparent to be as clear as possible. Here is the image:
Just so we're clear, this image has not been modified in anyway aside from highlighting details that were already there in the original scans. Nothing has been added to trick users to lead them to a conclusion that is not there.
As we can see in the image above, he have speedlines on the image that indicate the position of all things they connect to before the movement. That means it's now possible to find out just what occurred without the need of secondary sources. The most important details in the image above are the purple speedlines on Madara's beam, the red speedlines on Madara's face, and the bright red circle indicating the point of contact.
So pay attention to the red speedlines across the left side of Madara's face. They only indicate that Madara only turned his neck one way, which establishes that Madara only went in one direction: To the right. With that out of the way we've already established 3 facts that can clearly be observed in the image. However, this alone is not enough for us to judge that Naruto dodged the beam or not. For that, we need to look at one more detail to arrive to a conclusion, the lines leading from the red circle. We can clearly see that the speedlines from beam lead directly to that red circle, and since we know the speedlines indicate the position of an object before movement... this establishes that red circle was in the beam's initial path, meaning Madara had shot through the rod before swinging his neck.
With all that done, let's go and take a look on what we have found out so far:
As already illustrated, we can see that Madara and Naruto are facing each other directly with the rod directly in between them as established in the second point. Again, Madara turned his only to the right, but as we already found out in the final point...the beam's initial path went through the rod. The same rod that is directly between Madara and Naruto. We know that Madara's intital move was not a swing because the 4th point dictates that the initial move was Madara firing the beam at the rod. For Madara to bisect Naruto with a swing means he would've had to be facing further left initially, which he was not. Instead, he was facing Naruto directly. But the image clearly shows us Madara swung, so is this a contradiction?
No, Madara must've swung after he fired it, which makes sense because if he had swung before or during firing the beam, he would've missed Naruto, and the rod wouldn't have been split. Now, Naruto avoids the beam by ducking to the left to avoid the initial shot. This is where Madara must've swung in an attempt to bisect Naruto because the beam would already be long enough to either reach or extend past Naruto. In other words, this establishes a 5th fact: That Madara would've only swung once the beam was long enough to hit Naruto, and prior this, the beam would most certainly not be long enough to hit him.
To end it all off, we have one thing remaining, and that is when Naruto avoided the beam. From the information gathered, we can confirm that Naruto clearly did not dodge the swing, but it does not address WHEN Naruto dodged it. He could've dodged it before Madara even fired the beam, but he could've also dodged it after. Fortunately, the answer is pretty simple, take a look at Madara's actions. We know that Madara's swing was only a reaction to Naruto moving out of the way. Put simply, if Naruto had moved before the beam was fired it would've not gone through the rod. In the image we can clearly see that the last thing the beam touched before the swing was the rod, indicated by the purple speedlines. This means Madara only turned the beam once it went through the rod in reaction to Naruto. This establishes a 6th fact: That Naruto must've moved when the beam was already past the rod as that's when Madara turned his head to swing at him.
In short, Naruto did dodged the beam. Furthermore, as even more proof of this, the anime affirms this sequence of events further. This cannot be denied as it's simply an extension of what the manga implies.
THE SPEED OF THE ATTACK IS NOT DISCUSSED HERE
Argument from here
In the first scan, it is clearly seen that when Naruto attempted to smack Madara with the rod, he was directly in front of him in that instance. After Madara summons the limbo clone, we can see Naruto is now held in place and is no longer moving. In short, this only establishes that both Madara and Naruto are facing each other directly. In addition you can see that when Naruto attacked he held the rod right above his head and brought it straight down, where it was stopped by the limbo clone. Just by looking at the image, we can tell that the rod is also directly infront of Naruto too.
Then as you can all see, on the first panel of the second scan, we find that the feat has only occurred in one panel. There seems to be no way to tell whether Naruto avoided the beam or the swing. However, there are small details that make difference and tell us what happened. I took the liberty of making them more apparent to be as clear as possible. Here is the image:
Just so we're clear, this image has not been modified in anyway aside from highlighting details that were already there in the original scans. Nothing has been added to trick users to lead them to a conclusion that is not there.
As we can see in the image above, he have speedlines on the image that indicate the position of all things they connect to before the movement. That means it's now possible to find out just what occurred without the need of secondary sources. The most important details in the image above are the purple speedlines on Madara's beam, the red speedlines on Madara's face, and the bright red circle indicating the point of contact.
So pay attention to the red speedlines across the left side of Madara's face. They only indicate that Madara only turned his neck one way, which establishes that Madara only went in one direction: To the right. With that out of the way we've already established 3 facts that can clearly be observed in the image. However, this alone is not enough for us to judge that Naruto dodged the beam or not. For that, we need to look at one more detail to arrive to a conclusion, the lines leading from the red circle. We can clearly see that the speedlines from beam lead directly to that red circle, and since we know the speedlines indicate the position of an object before movement... this establishes that red circle was in the beam's initial path, meaning Madara had shot through the rod before swinging his neck.
With all that done, let's go and take a look on what we have found out so far:
- Madara and Naruto are facing each other directly.
- The rod is directly in front of Naruto, making it directly in front of Madara by extension.
- Madara only turned his head in one direction, the right.
- The beam's initial path was through the rod.
As already illustrated, we can see that Madara and Naruto are facing each other directly with the rod directly in between them as established in the second point. Again, Madara turned his only to the right, but as we already found out in the final point...the beam's initial path went through the rod. The same rod that is directly between Madara and Naruto. We know that Madara's intital move was not a swing because the 4th point dictates that the initial move was Madara firing the beam at the rod. For Madara to bisect Naruto with a swing means he would've had to be facing further left initially, which he was not. Instead, he was facing Naruto directly. But the image clearly shows us Madara swung, so is this a contradiction?
No, Madara must've swung after he fired it, which makes sense because if he had swung before or during firing the beam, he would've missed Naruto, and the rod wouldn't have been split. Now, Naruto avoids the beam by ducking to the left to avoid the initial shot. This is where Madara must've swung in an attempt to bisect Naruto because the beam would already be long enough to either reach or extend past Naruto. In other words, this establishes a 5th fact: That Madara would've only swung once the beam was long enough to hit Naruto, and prior this, the beam would most certainly not be long enough to hit him.
To end it all off, we have one thing remaining, and that is when Naruto avoided the beam. From the information gathered, we can confirm that Naruto clearly did not dodge the swing, but it does not address WHEN Naruto dodged it. He could've dodged it before Madara even fired the beam, but he could've also dodged it after. Fortunately, the answer is pretty simple, take a look at Madara's actions. We know that Madara's swing was only a reaction to Naruto moving out of the way. Put simply, if Naruto had moved before the beam was fired it would've not gone through the rod. In the image we can clearly see that the last thing the beam touched before the swing was the rod, indicated by the purple speedlines. This means Madara only turned the beam once it went through the rod in reaction to Naruto. This establishes a 6th fact: That Naruto must've moved when the beam was already past the rod as that's when Madara turned his head to swing at him.
In short, Naruto did dodged the beam. Furthermore, as even more proof of this, the anime affirms this sequence of events further. This cannot be denied as it's simply an extension of what the manga implies.
