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Imagine admitting that Darkseid is platonic and resides in an archetypal world and then saying he's 5D on the same page

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I have no possible clue what the justification could possibly be for admitting that Darkseid is platonic and then placing him at 5D: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/lCUcRLbSCr...8XAfjYAnG6xe7QHTwM78qhEH3zWrcfxv683UXSm=s1600

https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg

It's literally flat-out stated in both these scans that they're platonic. To deny this fact is most certainly an argument from incredulity. The page itself admits that the scan is credible, yet refuses to acknowledge the implications of that same scan.

So are platonic concepts 5D now?

I guess that means 6D characters transcend the outerverse then.
 
It was actually discussed before, simply being stated to be platonic without further clarification on if you transcend time space on all levels doesn't justify a 1-A rating.
 
Because most Fiction doesn't use the full width of the term if you will, and it's inconsistent in DC besides. Also, in the official Cosmology in DC the Ideal Realm is put on the 5-D level iirc
 
You're either saying that platonic concepts are 5D, or platonic concepts are not platonic concepts. So which is it?
 
It is. You just said that the ideal realm is 5-D. It's clearly not referring to temporal dimensions in that context, as it's also stated that all of DC is contained within 5 dimensions. So that would mean the living world is 1D and the source wall is 5D then?

Platonic concepts are platonic concepts, that's really all there is to it. You are literally implying one of two things: either you're saying platonic concepts are not platonic concepts, or you're saying platonic concepts are 5D.
 
I said DC treats it like it is, and they're the ones getting it wrong. But it's their cosmology so we can't impose our own opinions on it.
 
It really depends on how they refer platonic, as flase platonic refers to existance as the enirety of a verse and true platonic as 1-A regardless, Batman says an "Ideal Platonic" which I guess you can refer to true platonic, but knowing DC it would need some backup feats, statements, etc...
 
Obviously Platonic Concepts are/would be outerversal, but fictional ideal forms in a fictional cosmology isn't something we can apply this to.
 
False platonic concepts aren't platonic concepts. I also gave supporting statements in the form of the literal map of DC.

But since you still wanna claim platonic concepts in DC are 5D, I guess I need to provide high hyperversal scans for creation then.

Infinite dimensions: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/564265657693110312/564304900906024963/image0.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/564265657693110312/564302706907545600/image1.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/564265657693110312/564304386411462661/image0.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/564265657693110312/564304609263222785/image0.jpg

Darkseid breaking free of the source wall, which is high outerversal: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...31262740/c138c7a209d8917c5adde8c906da2e08.jpg

Darkseid casting a shadow over the multiverse, which I've proved is high hyperversal: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...8752920/darkseid-spirit-fall-final-crisis.jpg
 
Suggesting someone knowledgeable on topic could help out with the topic isn't an appeal to anything, it's a very normal thing to do.
 
Read the Conceptual Manipulation page.

We consider Platonic Concepts "false" if they reside in completely transcendental realms that aren't 1-A.
 
Unfortunately, we do not have the experience in these to do so. As I've said, it'd be best for you to contact the staff mentioned above.
 
But, if you want a immediate answer, Soulfire Darkseid is >>>>>>> True Darkseid, so feats from the source don't scale.
 
Death of the New Gods did not make any logical sense. The Source is essentially transdual Nirvana. It cannot be divided and certainly does not have a Jim Starlin style personality. We have decided to ignore the event.

Also, as others have mentioned, read the Conceptual Manipulation page regarding our standards for supposed Platonic concepts. If they strongly contradict our standards for a 1-A ridiculously high scale, we cannot remotely consider them as truly accurately represented.
 
I have yet to see proof that the standards are strongly contradicted. I don't understand what's so confusing about a platonic concept being a platonic concept. It either is or isn't. You're now also flat out denying that the source was divided even though it has duality with the ALE.

Platonic concepts being 5D is yet to be proven on this thread. I've proven that they transcend a high hyperversal living realm with 4 scans and I have seen 0 evidence for the contrary other than the "DC is 5D" shit which I disproved easily by explaining that they clearly did not mean dimensions in the temporal or spatial sense in that context.
 
Jim Starlin completely contradicted Jack Kirby's intended mythology regarding the Source, and the DOTNG series also contradicted Grant Morrison's more prominent Final Crisis event right afterwards. Starlin was being selfish, arrogant, and ignorant as usual, and as such ignored all the rules of the setting he was playing with.

We do not automatically consider any character 1-A simply for using the term Platonic unless they also qualify for our other requirements for 1-A stature. It is common that writers do not understand or care about the full implied scale of the concepts that they use. This is not going to change, no matter how much you bother us about it. Period.

If you want us to consider the true forms of the New Gods as greater than High 2-A, you should ask Matthew about it, but we are definitely not going to upgrade them to a scale that would allow them to view any degree of infinity^infinity as less than nothing in comparison, when they have no reliable feats remotely of this scale. They view universes as bubbles and exist in all parallel universes. That's it.

I also work 12 hours a day shifts taking care of this wiki, so I do not have enough free time to continue arguing with you.
 
Awsometime said:
"What do you do for a living?"

"Yeah I moderate a wiki about fictional characters beating each other up for 12 hours a day"
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Yeah, some people do that. Good thing it has no bearing on this argument and counts as unnecessary hostility.
 
Awsometime said:
"What do you do for a living?"

"Yeah I moderate a wiki about fictional characters beating each other up for 12 hours a day"
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Nobody should be judging you for what you choose to do with your life, why do you find it necessary to do so?
 
For the record, I am autistic with ADHD and OCD, which prevents me from handling a regular job, and despite this I have managed to organise the growth of this community to have 60 times the number of monthly page views as when I first came here, and going from essentially being a dumpster in terms of quality to being one of the most well-managed wikis in existence.

Anyway, this discussion seems to have gone off the rails. Should we close it?
 
Ignoring a issue because the person who brought it up conducts themselves improperly generally isn't considered a good reason. It's even pretty close to what we have listed on our fallacy page.
 
Feel free to debunk him if you wish. I don't have enough time and energy, and we have argued about this topic repeatedly previously.
 
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