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7-A Brackets Round 11

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Eleventh round of the 7-A brackets begins! The winner of the last round was False Berserker, although the match will not be added on profiles as it was a stomp.

Current Standings (A "-1" indicates a fighter was disqualified for whatever reasons)

The contenders for this round are Jiraiya, submitted by Rocker1189, and Cobra (Erik), submitted by DragonEmporer.

Sage Mode Jiraiya and X792 Cobra are used. Speed is unequalized for now (I doubt it causes any issues since it's only a 2x difference), although I will equalize it if it causes issues. Battle takes place in Disneyland California, 20 meters apart.

Jiraiya is Mach 2606.7, Cobra is Mach 1381.662.

Jiraiya is >> 532 MT, Cobra is >> 578 MT.

Jiraiya - 1 (Rocker)

Cobra (Erik) - 9 (Rin, Cal, Dragon, Nicco, Triforce, Zell, Iapidus, Jacky, Litentric)

Incon -

Amphibian Technique
Cobra Fairy Tale
 
I don't understand the explanation behind the BFR, but couldn't Jiraya literally just transmute the guy into like a toad or something? Or Bfr him
 
Cobra being able to read Jiraiya's thoughts to predict his next moves will make him landing abilities quite hard.
 
BFR

Barrier: Toad Gourd Technique: Jiraiya summons a small toad that pulls enemies into its stomach, a space which is much larger than the toad with gastric acids inside.

Summoning: Toad Mouth Bind:Jiraiya summons the oesophagus of a toad which changes the surroundings around him. Making it much harder to move, he can control this any way he wants and can reverse summon it to BFR opponents.

Transmutation

Turning into a Frog Technique: By touching the forehead of a target and then, according to a mental image the user forms, the target changes into a frog.
 
The real cal howard said:
Cobra can probably bust out of the toad with his mountian Level AP, tbh.
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Not really? Assuming the toad has contained other 7-A+ characters he'd have a really hard time getting out of it.

That said the attack would have to land first.
 
Yup, here we go.

Ap is pretty much similar so no one has the advantage.

Jiraya has a 2 times speed advantage. But Jiraiya also has sunshin for quick burst speed that cant be followed to close the distance

Alright I would go through abilities and counters.

Cobra's poison attacks would be dangerous but Jiraiya mostly tries to dodge rather than tank attacks luckily for him. Jiriaya also has his hair manipulation which allows him to block any ranged attacks by Cobra. And his speed advantage also gives him ways to get out of the ways of attacks. As for range Jiraiya's range is actually outdated. He should be in the hundreds of meters to kilometers range with his Jutsu. Jiraiya can also summon the giant toad with the Shield to block attacks for him if need be.

Close combat handily goes to Jiraiya. His regular ninja hand to hand is above Cobra's and his Frog kata increases this massively. He also has the big ball rasengan and the ultra big ball rasengan which are both extremely powerful attacks. His frog kata gies him attacks that are invisible to the eye.

Cobra mind reading is what really makes this a fight, he would be able to know what Jiraiya is thinking in a fight which is extremely useful for his to get out of Jiraiaya's attacks. Luckily Jiraya has ways to counters this. He has the hiding in a frog jutsu, which allows him to.. well hide in a frog and also masks his presence from any energy sensing techniques which I assume includes stuff like super hearing and that weird soul mind reading. Jiraiaya also has the frog song with Ma and Pa which is a huge counter to Cobra's super hearing because apparently it makes him weaker to high pitched sounds. Meaning he is more suspectible to the genjutsu.

Flight, now this is a big one. Jiraya does not have flight of his own but with the combination of his speed advantage and with the ability to leap like a frog or summon other toads to leap for him as well as the ability to run up wals like they are the ground he can essentially keep up as well. He also has levitation, it is not great against flight but it works with frogs helping him get to higher places.

Now for what Jiraiya has on top of his counters, he can counter the flight before it happens with his mud swamp jutsu, turning the ground beneath Cobra;s feet into swamp lland that traps him on the gorund and makes him easy pickings fors Jirayas Jutsu. He can also cover the battle field with toad oil and set it on fire. This can be used to bloat out a big section of the sky as well to stop the flight.

Jiraiya also has the shadow hiding Jutsu, if he enters Cobra's shadows he can control his body and soul which means he can make him commit suicide.

So Jiraiya for my rasons after a long fight.
 
@Cal

Jiraiya is still two times faster, and can dupe himself as well as evade attacks by swapping himself with inanimate objects.
 
Credit to User:DragonEmperor23 for this post.

"Okay, to start off with, the AP. Jiraiya in Sage Mode scales to 532 Megatons while Erik is stronger than X791 Erik who scaled to 578 megatons. So, Erik has the AP advantage albeit a minor one. Jiraiya has a time limit for Sage Mode on his own. In Sage Mode, Jiraiya starts with physical attacks before moving on to throwing jutsu. In CQC, Cobra would have the advantage as all of his attacks and limbs are coated in poison that will weaken Jiraiya's body. Cobra's poison burns to touch and paralyses the opponent's body. Cobra will also be able to dodge all of Jiraiya's attacks with his magic which lets him hear the opponent's thoughts and predict all of their movements. Even when the opponent tries to hide their thoughts, it still works. Jiraiya doesn't use his shadow manipulation or transmutation in this mode, as even when having chances to do so in the Pain fight, he goes for a physical attack. Plus, Erik would know not to let Jiraiya touch his head. Erik can also use his Sound magic to knock back Jutsus. It takes a while for Jiraiya to use Genjutsu since that's not his forte and he needs Ma and Pa to do it, Erik would hear him thinking about that and go for the kill. Voting for the Poison Dragon Slayer for these reasons."

That's his vote.
 
Just noting that he doesn't turn people to frogs in combat, it would be completely out of character
 
@Lord

I mean, even if he did, he'd have to tag Cobra's forehead in the middle of combat, which is stupdily hard given his soul reading.
 
Dragon is wrong about Jiraiya in sage mode. He actually starts of with range attack combinations using Ma and Pa. But Pain negates Jutsu so he has to go CQC.
 
His poison isn't very corrosive, it can burn skin but aside from that Cobra's poison hasn't been shown to rot things away. I'd argue that his ability to effect the nervous system is the most potent thing about his poison. Along with the fact that if this battle turns into a battle of stamina I think Jiraiya likely loses in that regard due to constantly getting poisoned. He can probably fight longer than Cobra can ( Stamina in FT isn't very impressive, the fights usually don't last for longer than a few minutes. ) but that's moot since Jiraiya would have to constantly dealing with poison along.


Cobra should take this with extreme difficulty.
 
Jiraiya has his hair manipulation to deal with the poison.He is 2 times faster with his hair forming a barrier for him I doubt he is getting touched. He also has toads for combination attacks. Cobra is not just fighting 1 person here.

And Jiraiya also has incredible sensing and danger sensing due to Sage mode.
 
Again Jiraiya could not use most of his Jutsu in literally any fights he was in because.


1. He was chakra nerfed against Orochimaru.

2. He was fighting Pain who could absorb all his jutsu.

And as others have mentioned he has BFR too.
 
Jiraiya couldn't even danger sense the Asura Path who not only got behind him but also spoke to him briefly and Jiraiya barely got away.

I'm not saying he doesn't have good sensing but it's not incredible. And please don't say he let his gaurd down because it's suppose to be passive danger sense, so it doesn't matter if he wasn't on gaurd.
 
I mean the Asura path is relative to him in speed and Cobra is not. And he still manage to get away he seemed more shaken because of the fact that there was more than he expected and not to mention that the Asura path literally tells him "I thought you said not to let your guard down" so he indeed let his guard down.
 
Itachi was able to Amaterasu out of the Frog Bind, which should mean that Cobra, who's marginally stronger, should be able to bust out.

Frog Gourd on the other hand...
 
Not all the Pains could absorb his ninjutsu. He could have made shadow clones to deal with the ones that didn't and gone after the absorbing one himself But instead he just used normal jutsu while the absorption path was busy.
 
Does it? Actually asking rather than doubting you as I'm sure that it was just (I'm using "just" lightly) unextinguishable flames.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Not all the Pains could absorb his ninjutsu. He could have made shadow clones to deal with the ones that didn't and gone after the absorbing one himself But instead he just used normal jutsu
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No but all their eyes are linked allowing that one to work on the behalf of others. Why do you think he devied a perfect strategy that literally took all 3 out. Before he got surprisde by the Asura path.
 
The real cal howard said:
Does it? Actually asking rather than doubting you as I'm sure that it was just (I'm using "just" lightly) unextinguishable flames.
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They have always hurt opponents far beyond their ability.
 
from Itachi's page:

Note: The exact strength of Amaterasu is unknown as it has been portrayed inconsistently, but it can technically harm much stronger characters. As such, claims that it can overtax the durability of comparable characters in versus threads could be considered valid.
 
Rin is voting the FT character?

No

NO

THATS WRONG

RIN IS SUPPOSED TO HATE FAIRY TAIL.

Real talk: What'a the scaling chain speed wise? I need to know as it may be either huge for Jiraiya or a small advantage
 
That doesn't mean they ignore durability though. It just means they're stronger attacks. For example, Vegeta's Final Explosion could defeat beings way stronger than him every time it's used, but doesn't mean it ignores durability. Plus, didn't Chakra Cloaks prevent it from doing damage? If it ignores durability, it shouldn't have mattered.

I'm pretty sure I'm derailing right now so I'll drop it though.

Edit: Ninja'd. Still, overtax=/=ignore
 
Schnee One said:
Run is voting the FT character?
Real talk: What'a the scaling chain speed wise? I need to know as it may be either huge for Jiraiya or a small advantage
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I don't think Jiraiya even in Sage mode is particularly faster than the guy he scales to with that feat.

Some for Cobra, I think.
 
The real cal howard said:
That doesn't mean they ignore durability though. It just means they're stronger attacks. For example, Vegeta's Final Explosion could defeat beings way stronger than him every time it's used, but doesn't mean it ignores durability. Plus, didn't Chakra Cloaks prevent it from doing damage? If it ignores durability, it shouldn't have mattered.
I'm pretty sure I'm derailing right now so I'll drop it though.

Edit: Ninja'd. Still, overtax=/=ignore
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Ok? But that means they are higher than 7-A+ which is what Cobra is anyway so you cant compare him to Amaterasu.
 
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