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Galeem 2-A upgrade

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Galeem is in control of all the verses of the involved characters, which are infinite in total.

This explains why there can be a repetitive amount of Spirits and even how some spirits have the body of Kirby even if he was the only one that managed to escape from Galeem, rendering Galeem unable to otherwise make body replicas of him.

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We have discussed countless times and concluded they can´t really scale, there´s even a discussion rule for that.

This is still applicable to the god tiers, however.
 
I was just kidding about that. Sorry I should've crossed it out to indicate that it was a joke.
 
Anyways.

Do you agree with this? Votes for agreement can make this applicable.
 
I really don't think that sort of reference to the many world's theory can be used for scaling purposes. Where does galeem being in control of everyone's verse come from anyways?
 
He isn't though. While Galeem's range is probably higher than just universal (he possibly affected Purgatorio and the World of Darkness is composed out of at least two worlds), all the characters from all the games are depicted as already being within this one single universe. Galeem has never been shown actually reaching to other universes.
 
What other explanation could be for Galeem making Kirby clones and multiple sets of otherwise contradictional spirits? Pretty sure that can´t be game mechanics.
 
The explanation for galeem making Kirby clones is that galeem made some Kirby clones. Why would that make him 2-A?
 
Yes, it can be game mechanics.

Nevermind the fact that assuming 2-A stats in order to explain something as small and insignificant as Galeem making clones of Kirby is ridiculous.
 
Wokistan said:
The explanation for galeem making Kirby clones is that galeem made some Kirby clones. Why would that make him 2-A?
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Because as seen in the opening, Galeem needs the ACTUAL fighters to make copies of them, as Kirby escaped, he lacks Kirby, but he still has copies of him anyways.

It´s pretty likely that he managed to catch Kirbies from other parallel verses to make copies of him.
 
Or he doesn't need to do that by the time you get further in the campaign. Note how freeing a fighter doesn't mean they'll never show up again.
 
@Woki I mean, pretty sure Galeem just created tons and the ones you see are leftovers of that, much like how getting Mr. Game & Watch in SSE didn't mean no more Subspace enemies.

Although yeah, it's not at all a reasonable assumption to assume Galeem nuked another universe, let alone an infinite amount of them.
 
Game Mechanics =/= PIS

Anyways, it can´t be PIS, as we can clearly see that they are aware of it and it´s not just a minor thing they decided to just skip over.
 
It just annoys me a bit when we basically use Game Mechanics the exact same way as the term PIS when reffering to games.

Anyways, that´s not the main thing.

Anything else to say?
 
Major plot points can be PIS.

Also, even if we are to assume he can take fighters from other universes: why is that AP, and why are we assuming he can use an infinite amount?
 
Or. Or. Maybe the devs didn't want to leave Kirby behind for all World of Light-related things, including Spirits, Spirit Battles, etc. and just decided to put Kirby in anyway. And that Galeem doesn't need to come remotely close to destroying multiple universes.
 
Wokistan said:
Major plot points can be PIS.
Also, even if we are to assume he can take fighters from other universes: why is that AP, and why are we assuming he can use an infinite amount?
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Of major plot points being PIS? Just look at the fact that these bosses are beaten.

Even if one believes in tier 2 smash characters, there's also the issue of Sonic crippling tabuu.
 
Do you really need examples of PIS in video games?

Game mechanics aren't the same as PIS anyway. Game mechanics happens when something in the game blatantly contradicts the lore/story for the sake of a gameplay element. In this case, having Kirby in the spirit battles.
 
Where within the game did it say Galeem toke control of different universes? Where did it say he was able to "nuke" it (only nuked one) There is honestly not a lot of supports or anything backing up. Let alone 2-A. Because if Galeem was 2-A, all of Smash bros would be ded, including Kirby. But Kirby escaped in the cutscene. But again, there is nothing to support this 2-A rating. And clones are just clones, nothing else. (especially because this 2-A statement was only mentioned once in a fun, quirky Easter egg made by Sakurai. But that's about it really. The games intro even says he was able to end only one universe, only one, not two universe, or "infinite" universes. Just one universe)

"Thus the universe was crushed in the hands of Galeem. Those who fought the light were devoured. The others lost their bodies and became spirits. Only one survived..."

I hecka disagree with this for reasons stated above.
 
just....no

I disagree....completely

We're not making this thing Ult Madoka and Dharkon Demon Homura, ffs.

If they were really 2-A, there'd be no point in having a SSB story mode, cause they just wipe out everything infinitely with no chance of a hero to survive and step up like Kirby did in the introductory cutscene
 
Dragopentling said:
If they were really 2-A, there'd be no point in having a SSB story mode, cause they just wipe out everything infinitely with no chance of a hero to survive and step up like Kirby did in the introductory cutscene
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This right here ^
 
I´m going to sum up everything against this:

>If Galeem was really 2-A Kirby would have been more than rekt

He didn´t actually nuked the verses, but actually just had the range to wipe all of them of life and interesting stuff.

How Kirby tanked an omnidireccionall attack in what would be an infinite amount of universes (meaning no real way to escape it) in range?

Simple, he didn´t, he simply turned himself intangible while it lasted as we can see here, which makes sence, as we can see a similar animation for that sort of intangibility in Star Allies when in multiplayer, which is a good point of reference.

>The intro only says that only one universe was nuked

"Thus the universe was crushed in the hands of Galeem. Those who fought the light were devoured. The others lost their bodies and became spirits. Only one survived..."

The universe was crushed =/= A single universe was crushed in total

>The cast being able to keep up anyways

We simply took that as Game Mechanics/PIS as it was pretty inconsistent with Master Hand already, so I won´t even bother with this part, just leave it at a side.

>Multiple Kirbies is game mechanics

Possibly, if the whole 2-A thing that has statements didn´t exist, which basically leads to the more logical alternative that he simply took by surprise Kirbies from other parallel verses.

A good example:

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As we can see here, there´s an spirit of Kirby. How? The infinite universe thing makes this more than plausible, which also allows for the potential to have an infinite amount of stuff that otherwise would just be "unique"
 
None of this matter. Because you still have absolutely no proofs. We need PROOFS, not speculation like "It could make sense if infinite universes so it must mean infinite universes".

And no, that one infinite timeline statement is nowhere near a proof for this.
 
Can´t a "Possibly" rating fix that? As obviously there´s no further proof.

And why is the viability of the statement seemed as pretty much totally unreliable? Note that Palutena didn´t object it, meaning that it´s realiable as she´s pretty wise and older than Viridi.

Also, the infinite unierses thing also explains the multiple "same" characters at once.
 
Then why wasn't the 2-A thing applied to Tabuu? Heck, even Master Hand should 2-A based off your reasoning, because he would arguably have the range to interfere with each and every multiverse of the characters included in the game series. Additionally, the Ultimate universe is not necessarily that much different from the one that Tabuu once ruled over, yet Tabuu is still just "Low 2-C"....wut?

>He didn´t actually nuked the verses, but actually just had the range to wipe all of them.

How so? All he did was attack the finite number of characters that are gathered into one universe. It doesn't necessarily prove that he can go on and destroy infinite numbers of universes that easily.

>We simply took that as Game Mechanics/PIS as it was pretty inconsistent with Master Hand already, so I won´t even bother with this part, just leave it at a side.

This I would digress, but....wouldn't Galeem and Dharkon be 4D? If so, there's no way any SSB character would be able to even touch them. The PIS thing is an excuse cause, as aforementioned, there'd be no point in creating a story mode at all. You'd basically just get a kinetic visual novel story of the universe being swallowed in light or swallowed in darkness, cause the characters would be powerless against 4D+ characters, barring any special abilities that allow one to harm higher-dimensional beings.

also, like Saikou said, there's no proof they can actually destroy infinite universes/dimensions....just pure speculations
 
No.

If there is no explanation beyond PIS or Game Mechanics, we assume it's either of those, not extrapolate to include infinite universes mentioned once and absolutely nowhere else.

Also the issue with that is assuming that the existence of alternate timelines doesn't mean that characters affecting the world must affect those as well. The fact that they've been mentioned only once means they're too minor in the cosmology of the verse to assume that Galeem might have affected them.
 
Bobsican said:
Can´t a "Possibly" rating fix that? As obviously there´s no further proof.
And why is the viability of the statement seemed as pretty much totally unreliable? Note that Palutena didn´t object it, meaning that it´s realiable as she´s pretty wise and older than Viridi.

Also, the infinite unierses thing also explains the multiple "same" characters at once.
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There is no "Possibly" rating to justify.

The "multiple same characters at once" is a frigging game mechanic dating back to the first SSB game, which had Master Hand as the God of that world. Otherwise, like I mentioned before, based on your reasoning, Master Hand and Tabuu should be 2-A as well, but they're not.
 
Dragopentling said:
Then why wasn't the 2-A thing applied to Tabuu?
>He didn´t actually nuked the verses, but actually just had the range to wipe all of them.

How so?

>We simply took that as Game Mechanics/PIS as it was pretty inconsistent with Master Hand already, so I won´t even bother with this part, just leave it at a side.

This I would digress, but....wouldn't Galeem and Dharkon be 4D?
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1: Because the statement came recently in the last game, so they may scale.

2: How? The same way he did for Purgatorio and etc.

3: Yes, they are 4D, but invalidating the whole rating they have due to the game mechanics/ PIS is even more unreliable after all the lore on their side.

Also Saikou:

Again, it´s a pretty high possibility, which means that a "Possibly" rating fixes it per definition:

"Should be used to list a hypothetical statistic for a character, but inconclusive due to lack of feats or viable power-scaling. Probability of said hypothetical statistic should also be indeterminate."
 
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