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Introductio Currently only two lines of justification support the High 7-C ratings on the profiles for Glynda Goodwitch and Qrow Branwe, and by extension the scaling for these two affect the profiles of Winter Schnee, Tyria,Hazel Rainart, Oscar Pine, James Ironwood, and Leonardo Lionheart. I don't think the justifications are good enough for these characters. Qrow's Justifications This is the current justification for Qrow's profile: Easily fended off Emerald Sustrai, Mercury Black, and Cinder Fall with half of the Maiden of Fall's power Emerald and Mercury are High 8-C so we can pretty much write them off. Fending them off would not grant High 7-C stats. So what we're left with is: Easily fended off Cinder Fall with half of the Maiden of Fall's power Now, I don't think this is good enough justification because it's a bit misleading as to what actually happened. What happened was that Qrow showed up and severed the connection between Cinder and Amber, Cinder made an explosive mine appear underneath Qrow who dodged it. Then Cinder and her cohorts vanished. The full encounter can be viewed here. And that… is all that happens. He didn't land any meaningful hits on her, she didn't land any meaningful hits on him. There are no calcs or feats supporting Qrow to be High 7-C. Some more points in detail: Points Point #1: Cinder couldn't be sure Qrow was alone.
Counterpoint #1: Qrow pushed Cinder back when he arrived, therefore he must be comparable.
This is the current justification for Glynda's profile: She was able to fight Cinder Fall with half of the Fall Maiden's powers for a period of time, Comparable to Qrow Well, let's remove the Qrow bit for now since his scaling has been called into question, making her current justification just: She was able to fight Cinder Fall with half of the Fall Maiden's powers for a period of time The problem with this is just being able to fight her isn't good reasoning. Here is the entire fight between the two of them.
This isn't very convincing that Glynda, and therefore all high-tier characters should directly scale to half a Maiden's power unless you want every single character in the cast to be Large Town level. Summary The High 7-C ratings for Qrow and Glynda, and therefore the other six high-tier profiles are very questionable for reasons I've outlined above. I simply don't think they should be rated as High 7-C. Maybe my standards a little bit too high, but the justifications being used aren't enough. |
I will breifly sum up some points and counterpoints made:
Direct Scaling Feats:
- Glynda Blocks a Fireball from Cinder
- Some claim this feat is casual, especially considering she and the guy wanted to keep a low profile in the situation at hand.
- This "Casual Feat" claim is supported by Cinder fireballing Ruby at a later time and Ruby surviving it, as well as the fact that no other hits/exchanges are made in that fight.
- Even in the case of a direct scale, Kalitas claims that it wouldn't scale to AP as Glynda's forcefeild has not been broken by other characters before. He also mentions how there is no statement connecting her TK to Forcefields, this the two shouldn't be interchangeable.
- Others have mentioned that it may take a while to get accustomed to the Maiden powers, evidenced by Mercury and Emerald giving Amber a fight. This is justified with an in-universe statement claiming how her inexperience helped cause her to be incapacitated.
- The "forced retreat argument"
- I don't understand how this applies to scaling. As mentioned above, Cinder had just absorbed the Fall Maiden's powers, and likely had little control over them. It's natural that she wouldn't want to complicate things by fighting a hunter, and she's not the type to take a risk. This argument in itself doesn't provide for scaling, villians can over/underestimate heroes all the time.
- Qrow states he can "Take on" a maiden with a group.
- Incorrect. The situation in itself was referring to attacking the bandit camp and not the Maiden. This was at the beginning of Season 5, and Qrow had no way of knowing the status of the Spring Maiden in the camp itself or Raven's status as the Maiden, or her alliance with Cinder. This, I feel, is irrefutable, and an understandable misunderstanding of the situation.
- Watts states that Qrow could mean trouble for them.
- Also incorrect. Watts was only referring to how much attention he could bring to them in a largescale fight. He didn't seem to have any lack in confidence in how easily they could beat him, just that
- Ospin comments of Hazel's stregnth, ergo Hazel should scale to pre-kid Ospin
- While somewhat reasonable, Ospin would have been aware of Hazel's abilities for a long time due to his connection with his sister, and he's only warning his students. He's also saying this in a severely weakened state.
- Tyrian is sent to hunt a Maiden.
- Hunt, especially in that context doesn't mean fight or kill all the times. He could simply be locating her or trying to attack them with stealth. Tyrian's abilities have been overestimated on another occasion from the same character, as well.
If you have a rebuttal, please tell me which point you are refuting instead of generally rebutting my post, or dismissing it. That way I can get a clear response back to you without any misunderstandings.
I also have rescind my previous compromise agreement, I don't think there is enough evidence on the opposition as it stands.
