Zen'o Revision (Not a downgrade, a clarification)

[Golden_Void]

1. Shouldn't Zeno and future Zeno have their own profiles? Future Trunks and Trunks, present Zamasu and current Zamasu, etc.

2. I think AT has given a lot of evidence that shows Future Zeno didn't destroy the multiverse. From the last episode, Goku states this is the second time they've seen a universe get destroyed. A universe = 1 universe

The destruction of U9 looked exactly like that of U7.

Gowasu stated Zamasu became one with U7.

The only reason Zamasu could've potentially gone to present U7 ,is because Trunks created a void by time traveling .

Bulma explains how the time machine really works.

Even the TOEI timeline confirms "the future universe"

Using Whis's statements as Zeno destroyed 6 universes in the past is an appeal to authority, association fallacy, and irrelevant. He can only speak for present Zeno.

3. I know, after the tournament.

 

[Giygas3]

1. There is absolutely no difference between the present Zeno, and Future Zeno, Everyone else you listed had some degree of difference, while Zeno has not, unless you want to copy and paste Zeno current profile and just call it "Future Zeno" Which is unnecessary.

2. Goku himself isn't a very good source. How would he know if he truly destroyed the entire timeline? Also, If we went by what Goku says as concrete evidence, then we would have a potential Low 2-C Goku.

3. Destroying one universe and the entire timeline would look possibility the same, it seems ridiculous to say "Hey destroing a single Universe looks like this, destroying the whole timeline would look totally different" Sorry if that last part sounded harsh, wasn't trying to make it come off as being harsh

4. We don't use the manga.

5.The Toei timeline is an actual pretty good evidence, but you'd need to talk to more people about it

Whis himself pretty much made it clear that Zeno could destroy the whole timeline if he wanted to, so... That pretty makes the whole revision very pointless.

 

[Golden_Void]

1. Saying they have no difference isn't true. Present Zamasu wished to be Goku, Future Zamasu wished for immortality. According to Whis, current Zeno erased 6 universes, Future Zeno erased 1. And didn't know every god in his verse was destroyed. And he destroyed Zamasu. Or at least make a key, that's better.

2. So you're saying what he saw with his own eyes isn't credible? I said universe, not timeline. Zeno never destroyed the timeline.

3. It could, or it could look like the world of void, which is described to have neither time or space.

4. Doesn't change anything.

6. Irrelevant, doesn't change the feat. If legends say Buu can destroy a galaxy, yet we've only seen him destroy planets, what are his feats? This isn't an attempted downgrade, this is a feat clarification.

 

[Giygas3]

1. Again, Future and the Present Zamasu has shown quite the difference, Unlike Zeno. Both Zeno's destroyed six universes, they're one in the same. Toei is hinting at a couple differences, but it wouldn't change the profiles, yet at least.

2. You're taking what I said out of context. Goku left before he destroyed Zamasu and potentially everything else, Goku does not know if he did destroy the whole timeline or not. And again, if he went solely by what Goku says as fact, than we would have a potential low 2-C Goku.

3. I'll agree, it could.

4. I know it doesn't, but I was just replying to one of the points you made.

6. Irreleveant? Nonsense. The feat itself is perhaps questionable, but it was confirmed if he so wished, he could destroy the whole Timeline, trying to say otherwise makes no sense, and it was from Whis, who has shown himself to be decently credible.

Edit: Oh? a feat clarification? I had the impression you were trying to dowgrade him from this feat, apologize.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Future Zeno is just 10+ years older than Present Zeno there is no evidence or statement saying he got weaker. Goku brought Future Zeno to the present so Present Zeno would have someone to play with that's just as strong as him.

 

[Golden_Void]

1. Assuming the future timeline doesn't have 18 universes is speculation. The only thing we know about every universe is that all its gods are dead.

2. Literally nothing alludes to Zeno destroying the multiverse, meanwhile time and time again only one universe/world is referenced. Zeno even says a world like this must disappear. Goku comes back, U7 has been erased.

6. What Whis says he can do and what he did are two separate things. With that logic, every time Zeno flinches he busts a multiverse, plus I've already addressed this in the OP.

Edit: Lol it's ok, I should probably put that in the OP. I'm also not saying Zeno got weaker .@LordGriffin

 

[LordGriffin1000]

1. Having 18 universes means nothing here as 12 would put him a 2-C

2. Just because Future Zeno only destroyed a universe doesn't mean that's his limit. By your logic Present Zeno should only be Multi Galactic because his only feat is destroying a universe with his Future counterpart.

6. The are the same in power, if not present Zeno would have killed him by mistake when they where playing that game with the hammer.

We could continue this back and forth but it's gonna come down to what the staff think so we gotta wait for them.

 

[Golden_Void]

Just because Future Zeno only destroyed a universe

That's it. That's my only point in this whole entire post lol. He only destroyed one.

 

[Giygas3]

1. The only thing speculative is saying he didn't. The events of Dragon Ball up until the three year gap stayed the exact same. There would be nothing to change that event of Zeno destroying the 6 universes, however long that was.

2. On the contrary, I for one disagree.Whis stated he could destroy a planet, a galaxy, or an entire universe. If he even felt like it, he could even erase the entire "world" in the anime. World in this instance standing for the whole timeline.

6. Yes you did, but your reasoning in my opinion, is personally wrong. The analogy behind what you're trying to make, is quite illogical, personally at least. On the last part, Refer to point 1.

Edit: Since this thread is about clarification, I for one probably can't offer any for this specific feat, as I'm unsure myself, and again, I'm sorry if I sounded arrogant or rude.

 

[Golden_Void]

1. It could be different though. But that does seem to be the case.

2. Pretty much answered by my part 6

6. Yes it was an exaggeration, but the concept is the same. Multiple sources saying one universe is an undeniable fact, and just because the word "World" is ambiguous, doesn't mean its automatically multiverse. Zeno says "A world like this must disappear". If Zamasu was only affecting U7, then how is the entire multiverse "a world like this"?

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that an exact copy of Zen'o's profile seems redundant.

 

[Ryukama]

Future Zen'ō has not shown enough significant differences from his main timeline counterpart to warrant a separate page in my opinion.

 

[Antvasima]

Agreed.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Making a separate Future Zeno page would be a waste of time honestly.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. Perhaps we should close this thread?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I think theirs still more to the thread other than Zeno having a seperate page. However any decision you decide to make in regards to this i'll respect and support.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the questions do seem to have been answered already, so it is probably best if I close this.