Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

[PandaCooler]

Actually, has anybody calc'd Nicole's Ether bomb?

I'm pretty sure the teasers/Demos are canon.

So this should be something to make note of

 

[Naito-desu]

The explosion looks like it takes up both lanes which would roughly be 7 meters (taking into account the average width of a two-lane expressway), so roughly in the ballpark of 9-B to 9-A because using explosive yield calcs would yield a pretty low value but if it destroyed those cars it can go higher

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

9-B~9-A ZZZ is where I've had them in mind for the cast.

I'm pretty sure the teasers/Demos are canon.

I'm sure they can be taken as canon.

Anby's that you linked includes part of the events of the prologue that led the CH involved with the Red Fang gang and getting stuck in that Hollow in the first place.

And the others can be taken as stuff that happened before like Grace's or even during the main story but in their own time like Koleda and Ellen.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Finally got around to playing the newest update. Wish I knew anything about calcs and scaling so that I could help make profiles...

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Same...

Best I can do is just "lowballing" the stuff by what I see and making a rough guess where they are and via scaling/statements.

 

[Naito-desu]

I can help with the calcs if needed it's how I've been estimating all the feats we've had lol

 

[Naito-desu]

Rewatched the campaign again to gather feats and it's a shame that most of the important tidbits are in the TV mode.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Rewatched the campaign again to gather feats and it's a shame that most of the important tidbits are in the TV mode.

A feat that stayed in my mind from my play through was First form Dead End Butcher easily destroying walls from a distance to reach the Cunning Hares.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Rewatched the campaign again to gather feats and it's a shame that most of the important tidbits are in the TV mode.

Probably. I forgot some stuff happens in TV Mode cuz it's on the corner of my screen xD

But some stuff also do happen in cutscenes like this

A feat that stayed in my mind from my play through was First form Dead End Butcher easily destroying walls from a distance to reach the Cunning Hares.

Even though it's in a sort of comic-style way, but we at least get shown the damage happening to get an idea.

 

[Naito-desu]

I can estimate the size of the hole based on the New Eridu metro, just need to get a wall and I think we're good?

Need a consensus but does it look like two or three layers of walls were broken?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I can estimate the size of the hole based on the New Eridu metro, just need to get a wall and I think we're good?

Need a consensus but does it look like two or three layers of walls were broken?

I can clearly see two walls broken down.

I would think there's three? But the space between the CH's and DEB is hard to make out with the way the panel cutscene is drawn. If I had to be safe, I'd say two walls are down but again, it's hard to kinda tell and even for a non-calc guy like, I'm really eyeballing it based on the width of the wall closest to CH's and sorta comparing it to the space leading up to the DEB's side of the walls.

 

[Mand21]

How strong are the verse feats currently? Do any character have pages? Sorry for showing up out of nowhere.

 

[Naito-desu]

I've compiled and roughly calculated some, we're looking at Small Building level so far for Agents of the verse. Haven't done speed yet, though.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Small Building ZZZ is where I see them at tops atm, with probably Miyabi and the Voidhunters (at least the ones more combat-oriented) being higher.

Speeds more unknown I guess? Everyone is superhuman of some extent, others moreso than another.

The ones to come to mind being:

Spoiler

• Soldier 11 being able to deflect and parry bullets both in her Agent story and character teaser animation.
• Grace being able to react to and outrun/keep up with machine gun fire in her Agent story.
• Miyabi doing some burst-speed like movements, and I think this is something she can do with or without her Shikigami like thing with her if I'm interpreting her 1.5 interlude cutscene right.
• Billy perceiving a bullet in slow mo in his animation trailer (Only a perception based feat, he didn't really dodge it or anything though that's either because he was focused on monolouging that whole time or just didn't have the speed to move out of the way had it really been directed to hit him. Probably for both reasons if anything. If anything else, it could be a really big outlier)
• Caesar has her char demo fighting and moving around while dodging gunfire.
• Ellen's char demo has her deflecting bullets, and Ellen in the main story proper has her also cutting down flying RPG's/mini missiles(?) as well as maneuvering around them while they're in flight.
• Qingyi in 2.5 interlude cutscene has her deflecting crossbow bolts.

These are the ones that come to mind when it comes to speed.

 

[Mand21]

I've compiled and roughly calculated some, we're looking at Small Building level so far for Agents of the verse. Haven't done speed yet, though.

Is 9-A for run of the mill fodder, or 9-A for the strongest agents?

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Depends on who counts as "fodder" and as "top agents".

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I think 9-A will count for most, even the “weaker” members of most of the current Factions as they all fight as a team and I doubt the difference between the weakest and strongest is as big as a tier difference at the moment.

The only fodder in know will be regular Ethereals and maybe most higher end Elite human enemies as I don’t think I’ve seen anything that puts the say strongest human Elite/Boss enemy as comparable/superior to say a Guardian mech or a strong Ethereal such as Dulluhan.

The only Faction I’m unsure has 9-A or above scaling is PubSec as I can’t remember if Zhu Yuan and Qingyi defeated any notably tough Ethereals while chasing that one guy in the story and the Jane story mainly dealt with human enemies if I recall correctly.
Have yet to do Qingyi agent story so I don’t know if she has a notable feat there.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I think 9-A will count for most, even the “weaker” members of most of the current Factions as they all fight as a team and I doubt the difference between the weakest and strongest is as big as a tier difference at the moment.

The only fodder in know will be regular Ethereals and maybe most higher end Elite human enemies as I don’t think I’ve seen anything that puts the say strongest human Elite/Boss enemy as comparable/superior to say a Guardian mech or a strong Ethereal such as Dulluhan.

The only Faction I’m unsure has 9-A or above scaling is PubSec as I can’t remember if Zhu Yuan and Qingyi defeated any notably tough Ethereals while chasing that one guy in the story and the Jane story mainly dealt with human enemies if I recall correctly.
Have yet to do Qingyi agent story so I don’t know if she has a notable feat there.

Depends: how heavy is a Bangboo? Because Qingyi might have a decent lifting feat depending (keyword: MIGHT).

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I think 9-A will count for most, even the “weaker” members of most of the current Factions as they all fight as a team and I doubt the difference between the weakest and strongest is as big as a tier difference at the moment.

The only fodder in know will be regular Ethereals and maybe most higher end Elite human enemies as I don’t think I’ve seen anything that puts the say strongest human Elite/Boss enemy as comparable/superior to say a Guardian mech or a strong Ethereal such as Dulluhan.

The only Faction I’m unsure has 9-A or above scaling is PubSec as I can’t remember if Zhu Yuan and Qingyi defeated any notably tough Ethereals while chasing that one guy in the story and the Jane story mainly dealt with human enemies if I recall correctly.
Have yet to do Qingyi agent story so I don’t know if she has a notable feat there.

Yeah, this is what I figure. The Cunning Hares (Nicole/Anby/Billy) all fought the DEB Ethereal together, even onto its empowered form which the fact they're even still standing and able to fight means they all have to be pretty tough even if they did it as a team.

Same. Regular Ethereals are constantly beaten by the Agents regularly and I'd imagine maybe some human enemies can to even if they can go in and out of the Hollow to do stuff. Although there isn't anyone that particularly stands out outside of someone like Razor and this one new guy Pompey (hypothetically speaking).

PubSec (at least the one of Zhu, Qing, and Seth), they didn't really fought any Ethereals afaik. Just human enemies and all. Same for the Jane side story event. There is that Razor guy and all but even he got beat by Seth and Jane working together.

Qingyi's Agent story isn't any different. The only other notable thing is her carrying a bunch of Bangboo out of the Hollow, and I believe that's also while she was gradually losing power to be active in getting out of there too. Not sure if that means much but she did something notable for that one towards the end.

 

[Sooshirohl]

how would you guys rank the factions in terms of overall strength? i think it's pretty safe to say that at least as of right now, pubsec is probably the weakest seeing as how they're the only faction who didn't have to deal with fighting a cracked out ethereal. narratively i think ZZZ's setting up section 6 to be the strongest namely cause of miyabi and the fact that they're constantly fighting against nivenah, but outside of that, i think all of the factions are actually pretty relatively close in strength.

the dead end butcher probably has the best on screen showings which helps the cunning hares but victoria housekeeping also seemed very confident in their ability to dispatch of them. belobog has some crazy physical monsters with ben, anton, and koleda, and the sons of calydon are also pretty strong in their own right. i guess if i had to rank them right now i'd probably go with

section 6 > victoria housekeeping >= cunning hares > belobog heavy industries > sons of calydon > pubsec

there's also the possibility of obol squad being pretty strong too considering soldier 11 should at least be relative to anby but we literally know nothing about them yet so can't really say anything there

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I'd say put Belobog and Cunning Hares as = and that's pretty much it. Mainly that the Belobog Construction Gang DID fight that "Sacrifice" Monster when it merged with three of their (at least what I see) finest machinery, and we do know ofc Anton being able to stop a charging machine and Ben OHKO that same machine.

I do think Public Security gang COULD be stronger but insofar, all of their dealings have been with human criminals (tough ones, but still human) so they're unfortunately low on the ladder pole atm.

Section 6 is definitely the strongest of the playable (at the time of this post) factions we got not only with Miyabi being a Voidhunter and her colleagues being not so inferior as they also fight with her, but they're pretty much one of the main fighting forces constantly thrown into what's pretty much Ground Zero for ZZZ's general setting.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

New teaser just dropped owo

Summary:

• Yanagi special episode (Basically just like the Jane Doe/Pub Security side story)
• Lighter Agent story addition
• A bunch of new events
• Additions to existing gameplay and rewards

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

On a sidenote, I just had the thought to recheck 2.5/Public Security story, and Zhu Yuan and Qingyi DO in fact actually fight some Ethereals while chasing after a criminal.



2:25 onwards

They fought the bigger type Ethereals, and later on a bunch of normal Ethereals.

So the playable Public Security units are strong enough to also handle Ethereals themselves. But I would think they're still the weakest if not that weak to everyone just because they've yet to fight something potent like the transformed Pompey and that one particular Ethereal Lighter one punched and then easily fought with Caesar and Billy, the Twin Ethereals that seem pretty tough for Victoria Housekeep, the DEB Ethereal the Hares fought, the Sacrifice fused machined Belobog fought, or much less the Nineveh and other Ethereals Section 6 and other possible units fight.