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Yukari vs Ahzek the redo

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Not sure if still doable but I just wanna see how this turns out now that her stuff is more organized and because it clearly went so well last time.

Yukari Yakumo vs Ahzek Ahriman, Ahzek is 4-B, speed equalized.

Who wins and who goes ded?
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Holy shit I forgot we actually did this thread before.

On a serious note, isn't 4-B Ahriman vs High 4-C Yukari technically less of a tier discrepancy than 5-A Ahriman vs High 4-C Yukari?

Not like either of these two even really use sheer physical power, but still.
 
Extreme long shot, but is gap wife's Yukari's boundary manipulation any more clearly defined than it was, last time around?

It's obviously a factor regardless, but I'd just like to know.
 
It is, me thinks. Most of her stuff should be on the profile by now thanks to the bunch of revisions clarifying on that since then so I think it is safe. I've looked at a few of her more recent threads and, going from the one vs Composite Link and the (old one) vs Gilgamesh, she seems fine now.
 
Alright then. One last thing; is speed equalized or not? If not, Ahriman's definitely at a disadvantage out of the gate due to Yukari's notable speed advantage forcing him to immediately start with a speed/reaction amp. Though if this is in-character, I don't know if Yukari would necessarily try to do anything about that, right away.
 
lmao

Then that gives Ahriman a few more options out of the gate, as he isn't forced to start out with a stat amp. I'm assuming Yukari isn't weirdly super acausal/"immune to precognition" in some way, so Ahriman's precog is also definitely going to be helpful in picking what to do. Yukari also has precog, but I genuinely don't know the scale of it. That'll probably have an impact on my vote.

For reference, Ahriman's is of this level.

"He felt all sense fall away. Everything became distant, just another pattern spinning through the quiet stillness. He could see the possibilities of the next nanosecond, multiply and collapse. He saw the Rubricae climbing over the walls, the molten stone squashing beneath their feet. He saw Astraeos fall. He saw a figure of fire waiting at the end of a billion branching futures. He was the storm, the still point around which the warp turned." - Ahriman: Sorcerer
 
Yukari's precog should be good, as Subterranean Animism covers the events of an entire incident/game.

Though as far as I'm aware, it isn't that down to the details like Ahzek's, and certainly not as combat oriented. It was more of a case of "x and y will happen, so prepare for it" rather than "I'm in the middle of a fight and x, y is going to happen so I should do z to deal with it".

She also doesn't seem to rely on that stuff much when it comes down to fighting.
 
Alright. Then I suppose it'd be fair to consider Ahriman's precog as one of his advantages.

Yukari's teleportation could be quite a big deal. Combined with conceptual manipulation, boundary manipulation and existence erasure, it makes a very dangerous combo. Sealing is very solid as well, though in this case likely not as useful or brutal as the straight up destruction she can bring with those other powers.

That said, it'd be wrong to assume Ahriman doesn't have his fair share of tricks, as well. Ahriman has fate and probability manipulation, alongside existence erasure of his own. He also has power nullification and Warp BFR. Not to mention the multitude of other abilities at his disposal.

That said, with the ability to know what's likely going to happen, he's forced more into playing it safe. He can't risk having Yukari collapse the boundary between everything that makes him who he is. With that said, I think that makes one of his very first options to step out of reality and into the Warp. I guess the question at this point is could Yukari still touch him in there, or would she need to actually follow him?
 
Yukari's Precog was never shown to be applicable in combat. Or to even be a thing at all, really. She only predicted the event of SA, which could just have been her knowing what happened with Utsuho.
 
Don't talk like that, Saik, you'll call the rage to this thread if you are this blunt. ovo

Anyways, yes, as I said above, it isn't that combat oriented.

As for Yukari touching him IN the warp, I find it hard to believe based on what was argued on the previous thread: Even Chaos Gods can't properly mess with that as far as I know so Yukari shouldn't be able to do so, much less from far away.

So I'd assume she would be better off trying to get Ahriman done before he warps away.
 
@Fate

I wouldn't consider actually following him to be out of the question, as that much often isn't hard to do within canon.

The issue is that there's very good reason that most people don't actually want to, and I think being forced to confront Ahriman within the Warp as opposed to...nearly anywhere else puts her at a pretty notable disadvantage.
 
About her following him there... Well, if it's possible, then I suppose it's fair game to consider she may go there. If according to what you said, that would end up as a disadvantage for her on the long run, though, she kinda gets into a dun goofed situation if she does follow.

I don't discard the possibility, tho.

My point was more the kind of "I don't think she can mess with boundaries to get Ahriman within the warp via sniping/haxxing from wherever outside of it, considering the complexity of the place, boundary that even Chaos Gods can't properly mess with and etc."
 
Also could be worth noting that Ahriman BFRed and power null'd this thing, but I don't know if he specifically needed to be in the Webway to do it, or he could have done it elsewhere. Still, speaks for his potency, I guess. Quote for full context.

"Yvraine felt her hatred flare hot, her gyrinx growling at her side. There was their leader, commanding the throng from his perch on a disk of fiery metal. Casting aside her finery, she shot towards him like a living missile, her companions close on her heels. Calmly putting his staff aside, the champion of Tzeentch cupped his hands as if trapping a winged insect, and hurled a handful of nothingness upwards with a roar.

Along with the Visarch and the Yncarne, Yvraine suddenly found herself adrift -- not within the webway, but without. They were stranded in a near-silent limbo, trapped on the top of the psychocrystal walls. The sounds of battle were muffled beneath them, and the cool void sucked in its breath at their backs. Yvraine did not look around, for she felt something there, in the darkness. A voice in her mind said should she do so, she would behold the Changer of Ways himself, and learn the meaning of madness. That voice was not Eldar, but a human; it belonged not to a salvaged soul, but to the Arch-Sorcerer below. Another joined it; that of Elierrogh the Sage, one of the spirit passengers within her. She had studied this one at length.

A flash of insight struck Yvraine. 'Ahzek Ahriman!' she shouted, 'I have that which you seek. I can restore your brethren!'

A stone's throw away, the Visarch cut at the webway's exterior with the Sword of Silent Screams, but he could not scratch it. The Yncarne hissed in pain to her flank, trailers of purple mist unwinding from its body as it was dissolved by the aether behind.

'And why should I believe that?' came the sorcerous voice in Yvraine's head. 'You have no power here, in my new domain.' She felt white heat as something loomed behind, the fell gaze of godly eyes burning down upon her with terrible, inhuman focus." - Fracture of Biel-Tan
 
FateAlbane said:
My point was more the kind of "I don't think she can mess with boundaries to get Ahriman within the warp via sniping/haxxing from wherever outside of it, considering the complexity of the place, boundary that even Chaos Gods can't properly mess with and etc."
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I getcha.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
'And why should I believe that?' came the sorcerous voice in Yvraine's head. 'You have no power here' , in my new domain.'
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*Obligatory joke*

That being said, it would most likely work if he used it. Can't remember any feat of resistance to power null, even less so one of this caliber as far as Yukari's concerned. Normally I'd ask if it's in character for Ahzek to go that way sooner than later, but then again, Precog.
 
Alright then. I think for right now, I'm leaning towards Ahriman via precog, stepping out of reality, potentially being able to get his BFR off, and other finisher abilities. He's definitely in danger during the fight though, as Yukari getting her powers off when has hasn't "distanced" himself could be fatal.
 
Pretty sure that no one in Touhou has Power Null (Not counting people with Probability Manip), let alone resistance to it.
 
@Saikou Technically speaking Doremy has some stuff that may be understood as Power Null with her Dream shenanigans, but that's an unrelated conversation since Yukari wouldn't get anything out of it either way so, rip.
 
This be pretty chill for a Yukari debate, anyway, would spatial manipulation have any affect in this battle, it may help Yukari out, but dealing with such powerful precog is pretty hard.
 
Udlmaster said:
This be pretty chill for a Yukari debate, anyway, would spatial manipulation have any affect in this battle, it may help Yukari out, but dealing with such powerful precog is pretty hard.
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It's definitely useful, but I don't think much is a better option than just going straight for the kill, which is what will be most dangerous to Ahriman.

I genuinely would like to see some actual discussion in this thread, though. It's rare for a couple of combatants to have such equal ways of killing each other. I just believe that stuff like Ahriman's absolutely ridiculous precog, power nullification, and ability to protect himself via the Warp when added together give him the victory more times than not. But I'd certainly be open for argument.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
But Prom, you forgot that the Chaos Gods also are 1-A.
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I misspoke. Yukari is High 1-A.
 
I don't understand where they get those quotes from, or how they think that's logical reasoning, honestly, it's either linking to another website about "Quantum Worlds" or is a link two a cropped bit of text from a Deviantart post.
 
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