Yukari & Reimu possible upgrades & revisions

[Magi_Hussie]

1. According to this: https://jrlwhite.deviantart.com/art...-55-028-700300107?ga_submit_new=10:1503418706

Yukari is stated to have Meta Teleportation and this also goes for Reimu since she was also stated to do the same thing, so that should be more clarified.


2. According to this: http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Yukari_Yakumo

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In addition, she is possessed of superhuman (*3) intellect, and is especially good at mathematics."

Yukari has Superhuman intelligence.


3. According to this: https://jrlwhite.deviantart.com/art/Bandicam-2017-08-24-04-03-42-281-700620930

Yukari was able to affect the Boundary of Wave/Particle.

http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Boundary_Manipulation

"Physical Godhood (Wave/Particle)": http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Physical_Godhood

Yukari would have High-level Science Manipulation


And also from what I know after reading the statements mentioned by Saikou in this thread here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/917322?useskin=oasis

"Yukari only created a separate Brane World. Which is 4D at best."

So I guess Yukari should be "At least 5-A, far higher via Science Manipulation

"At least Large Planet level (Scarlet Weather Rhapsody implies she is superior to Suika. Her Imperishable Night Profile states that she is capable of destroying everyone in Gensokyo and even Gensokyo itself. Repaired the border between the Netherworld and Gensokyo, the former being much larger than Hell. Implied to be the Youkai who ended the Vampire Incident long before the Spell Card Rules were implemented. Far above Ran. Stronger than Reimu, Marisa and Sakuya), far higher via Science Manipulation (Created Genosokyo, which is considered as a 4D brane world. Her Imperishable Night Profile also states that she is capable of destroying everyone in Gensokyo and even Gensokyo itself.)"


Edit: Re-edited and added the reclarifications.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No, no and no.

Simple matter manipulation doesn't give nowhere near nigh-omnipotence.

A 4D space the size of an island isn't anywhere near Low 2-C either.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

No, no and no.

Simple matter manipulation doesn't give nowhere near nigh-omnipotence.

A 4D space the size of an island isn't anywhere near Low 2-C either.

1. It was a possibility of affecting the boundary of Wave and Particle.

2. How is Genosokyo the size of an island? I don't recall that.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No, it's not even a possibility.

Gensokyo itself is small enough to fit inside Japan. It isn't universal at all.

 

[Fllflourine]

seems legit

 

[Promestein]

Yeah it's absolutely not a possibility. Gensokyo's just a pocket dimension, nowhere near Low 2-C (which would be an outlier anyways).

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

At best this is space-time manip for Yukari.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

No, it's not even a possibility.

Gensokyo itself is small enough to fit inside Japan. It isn't universal at all.

1. Mk.

2. Why did you mention these statements in the first place?: "Gensokyo itself is just a 4D space-time continuum."

"Yukari only created a separate Brane World. Which is 4D at best."

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Meta Teleportation and Superhuman intelligence are legit?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I never mentioned Yukari being Low 2-C. It is indeed 4D, but not applicable for her AP. Aka it's just hax.

 

[Promestein]

Small 4D world =/= infinite 4-dimensional universe.

"Everywhere and anywhere" doesn't mean anything, extrapolating it to the biggest possible extent of meta teleportation is absurd.

She's already super smart.

 

[Fllflourine]

Meta Teleportation and Superhuman intelligence are legit?

meta teleportation is SPW stuff im guessing

superhuman intelligence, she already has that

absolutely useful for it to be mentioned in OP

 

[ALRF]

>Yukari is stated to have Meta Teleportation and this also goes for Reimu since she was also stated to do the same thing, so that should be more clarified.

No, this is pure NLF and isn't legit, if she is as you say, why she couldn't reach the Moon?

>It might be possible that Yukari most likely have Nigh-Omnipotence.

Bloody hell, i guess anyone who can manipulate Wave/Particle should be Nigh-Omnipotent then? This is just outright...ridiculous...

>"Yukari only created a separate Brane World. Which is 4D at best."

This 4-D place has the size of an island...and she required help from you know who, so this is not even legit

 

[FateAlbane]

The reasoning for this thread equals giving every pocket reality manipulator a Tier 2.

 

[Schnee_One]

Low 2C Mundus!

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Yeah it's absolutely not a possibility. Gensokyo's just a pocket dimension, nowhere near Low 2-C (which would be an outlier anyways).

How is it only just a pocket dimension?

 

[Magi_Hussie]

meta teleportation is SPW stuff im guessing

superhuman intelligence, she already has that

absolutely useful for it to be mentioned in OP

2. It never mentioned Superhuman intelligence.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

>Yukari is stated to have Meta Teleportation and this also goes for Reimu since she was also stated to do the same thing, so that should be more clarified.

No, this is pure NLF and isn't legit, if she is as you say, why she couldn't reach the Moon?

>It might be possible that Yukari most likely have Nigh-Omnipotence.

Bloody hell, i guess anyone who can manipulate Wave/Particle should be Nigh-Omnipotent then? This is just outright...ridiculous...

>"Yukari only created a separate Brane World. Which is 4D at best."

This 4-D place has the size of an island...and she required help from you know who, so this is not even legit

1. "Over 1,000 years ago Yukari invaded the Moon with an army of youkai for unknown reasons but was defeated."

Yukari has once been on the moon before.

2. Just a possibility.

3. By who exactly?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"How it's just a pocket dimension?"

Don't ask questions you already know the answer to. Gensokyo is nowhere near universe sized. Move on.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

At best this is space-time manip for Yukari.

I guess.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Small 4D world =/= infinite 4-dimensional universe.

"Everywhere and anywhere" doesn't mean anything, extrapolating it to the biggest possible extent of meta teleportation is absurd.

She's already super smart.

1. Yukari has access to said places described by Meta Teleportation but mk.

2. Still doesn't mention "Superhuman intelligence."

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It doesn't really matter what we rate her at specifically. It wouldn't change much, if anything.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

For now, I suppose Superhuman Intelligence and possible Space-Time Manipulation should be the only acceptable ones that needs a revision.

 

[Promestein]

Superhuman intelligence is already made clear by her intelligence feats.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Superhuman intelligence is already made clear by her intelligence feats.

Very intelligent =/= Superhuman intelligence, clear difference. Also, what's the point of continuing this disagreement if there is nothing wrong with the intelligence upgrade?

 

[ALRF]

We have a better description of her intelligence, no need to add something like Superhuman Intelligence which is imo irrelevant...

 

[Magi_Hussie]

We have a better description of her intelligence, no need to add something like Superhuman Intelligence which is imo irrelevant...

So? Superhuman intelligence still should be added to the profile anyways.

 

[Schnee_One]

Very intelligent is good enough

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Very intelligent is good enough

Yea, but Superhuman intelligence is better tho.

 

[ALRF]

We already have her intelligence being described perfectly by the feats she has in that section, adding Superhuman intelligence is, and i will say it again, irrelevant.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

We already have her intelligence being described perfectly by the feats she has in that section, adding Superhuman intelligence is, and i will say it again, irrelevant.

It doesn't matter, adding Superhuman Intelligence shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Bump

 

[Magi_Hussie]

1. Here's a reclarification of Yukari's Wave/Particle spell card:

Since Yukari affected the Boundary of Wave/Particle, then I suggest that should of been reclarified as High-level Science Manipulation (yes, it's a thing) instead rather than just stating "Nigh-Omnipotence" due to not making any sense. Also yes, Science Manipulation includes Space-Time Manipulation.

I think Yukari's new tier should be appropriate:

"At least 5-A, far higher with Science Manipulation."


2. My intelligence upgrade still stands & disagreeing with it does not honestly matter since its already shown the explicit evidence needed.

 

[Promestein]

1. No.

2. It's unnecessary.

 

[ALRF]

1. No, why would we do that? When there is NOTHING that supports a higher rating for that

2.What evidence? the one in Yukari profile? Then yeah, evidence that is much much better than just go to a profile just to insert Superhuman Intelligence.

Edit:ninja'd by Prom

 

[Magi_Hussie]

1. No.
2. It's unnecessary.

1. How so? Yukari needs a slight tier upgrade and she's not only "5-A."

2. If we continue on with that, Intelligence should be completely ignored in vs debating in general (just saying).

 

[Promestein]

1. Nothing supports it.

2. Superhuman intelligence is meaningless. Everything in her intelligence description is a vastly better description than that could ever be and makes it very clear.

 

[ALRF]

1.proof?

2. it is unnecessary, when her feats about intelligence in the same place, shows how much intelligent she is, you are just trying to add an unncessary description to something that is perfectly described in her profile

 

[Schnee_One]

How do you give proof that nothing supports it? The burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.

 

[Promestein]

Science manipulation is just an ability. It doesn't give any AP on its own without feats, and Yukari doesn't have any solid feat to boost her past 5-A.