- 8,831
- 9,447
Hell UIO2 is debatably weaker than UIO1 for being fatigued and not being able to damage SSJ2 Kefla who only might've surpassed UIO1 initially.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
You're ignoring the context. Initial UIO2 < SSJ2 Kefla = might have surpassed UIO1. It's clear that the difference between UIO1 and UIO2 is basically nonexistent, Goku having more control doesn't equate to more power. If he can't damage someone who's probably stronger that UIO1 and he's fatigued then it's possible that initial UIO2 is =< UIO1. UIO2 only officially surpassed UIO1 after he powered up and said 'behold the power of Ultra Instinct'.LordTracer said:It is stronger though...? Every UIO is stronger than the last, Goku is shown feat-wise to be stronger, Freeza, Whis and Champa all implied UIO2 > UIO1, Goku exhibited more control over UIO2 than UIO1, Kefla just by transforming surpassed UIO1, and the big thing: there's no evidence supporting UIO1 > UIO2, or even UIO1 = UIO2.
This is where my problem comes from. The difference between UIO1 and 2 is not that big. You can say they're stronger but considering the 'might have' in Piccolo's statement goes to show that she's not that mush stronger than UIO1. If the difference was that big, they would've made a ginormous deal about it.LordTracer said:The difference is unquantifiable, though I could argue anywhere from 50x - 100x.
These are all slight implications. Piccolo outright stated that she might've surpassed UIO1 and that's the only direct statement we get with context. Again might have heavily implies that the gap between SSJ2 Kefla and UIO1 is definitely not 50-100 times.LordTracer said:Freeza: "Keep getting stronger, Son Goku sa."
- Freeza already considers the initial UIO2 Goku stronger.
Whis: "It incited Goku sa... allowing him to break through another of his self-limiting shells."
- Whis treats Goku achieving UIO again as him breaking through to another level, plus his aforementioned statement that it would take more power to force Goku into UIO also supports UIO2 being stronger.
Champa: "Hurry up and beat him before he masters Ultra Instinct!"
- When Goku First went Omen, there was no concern from anyone of him mastering Ultra Instinct. Champa believes it to be a possibility now, showing that UIO2 > UIO1.
Now, do you have any statements, or feats or anything that supports UIO1 > UIO2?
Those are other statements are merely implications while Piccolo actually has a gauge on her power.LordTracer said:And three other statements (plus feats) disagree with Piccolo and say the initial UIO2 is already superior. And SSBE, which should be more than a 100x multiplier, only had a single statement from TGP about breaking his limits. So it not being treated like a big deal isn't much of an argument.
They only imply that he's stronger, not how strong he got. Piccolo says how strong they got.LordTracer said:And...? Champa, Whis and Freeza would all be able to tell how strong Goku was at the time.
2:30 "This power... It might even surpass Son's earlier level." Yet UIO2 couldn't put a dent in her with regular attacks.LordTracer said:Actually, no. Piccolo is saying that it's possible he got stronger, not how strong he is. Freeza, Whis and Champa are saying definitely that he's stronger.
Saying it's possible only supports the minuscule difference dude. Also sending someone flying doesn't make them scale all the time. Base Frieza sent Jiren flying but doesn't scale for example. Plus it was pretty clear that regular attacks couldn't faze her.LordTracer said:Yes, again, Piccolo is saying that it's possible Goku got stronger. He's not giving a gauge of how powerful he got. And UIO2 sent Kefla flying more than once.