Yogiri, 1-A possibly high 1-A

[Tarang123]

Those are the literal definition of transcend bruh.

"significantly" affect is not what transcend means. It literally means to be able to affect things on the level of aleph 2. Like, later on it says that layers into 1A start at aleph 3

 

[Tarang123]

The other one staff doesn't agree on 1-A, he agreed on Low 1-A.
Even Elizhaa said that At lowest Yogiri is Low 1-A. And can reach 1-A with much context.

He said with the Ultimate Ensemble. He didn't even address the Q and A

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

1-A transcend aleph-2, not being on it. That Low 1-A. And the fact that the FAQ are still being revised.
Also, where?

1-A: Outerverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions equal to the cardinal aleph-2

From the Tiering Systems page. 1-A is equivalent to aleph 2, Low 1-A is equivalent to aleph 1, High 1-B would be equivalent to aleph 0

I am fine with it, one admin already agreed with 1-A and he is expertise in verse and tier 1. I can still wait for more input.

But generally, stop derailing with question type, we have dealt with it in the first page.

Preferably based on the discussion rules page there should be at least 2 staff who both agree on the same tiering, especially for tier 1 stuff like this.

Also I think Rakih was talking about me when referring to the staff who didn't agree with 1-A. Though, if you have the full translation for the quote involving the Ultimate Ensemble and I get the full context behind the quote, it could be 1-A.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

"significantly" affect is not what transcend means. It literally means to be able to affect things on the level of aleph 2. Like, later on it says that layers into 1A start at aleph 3

Semantic, yes that what i mean.

He said with the Ultimate Ensemble. He didn't even address the Q and A

Transcending Ultimate ensemble will only make you 1 layer above it except with r>f.

 

[Tarang123]

Semantic, yes that what i mean.

You're saying that means they transcend aleph 2. That is the opposite of what it says there.

Transcending Ultimate ensemble will only make you 1 layer above it except with r>f.

The Ultimate Ensemble is Low 1A. He's saying that taking that along with everything else could get a good 1A, but High 1A or higher requires more context which doesn't really exist

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

You're saying that means they transcend aleph 2. That is the opposite of what it says there.

That mean you are superior to Aleph.

The Ultimate Ensemble is Low 1A. He's saying that taking that along with everything else could get a good 1A, but High 1A or higher requires more context which doesn't really exist

The context is r>f.

 

[Tarang123]

That mean you are superior to Aleph.

No, it means you're on the same level.

The context is r>f.

What?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

No, it means you're on the same level.

Oh come on.

What

In order to reach 1-A, Yogiri should transcend UEG in R>F degrees.

 

[Tarang123]

Oh come on.

Affecting something does not mean you transcend it lol. Low 2C beings affect space-time continuums, they don't transcend them.

In order to reach 1-A, Yogiri should transcend UEG in R>F degrees.

The argument is that he literally does

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

The argument is that he literally does

Right, obligatory action for this.
Scan please?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Right, obligatory action for this.
Scan please?

Mitsuki R>Fs the world including UEG

Yogiri's true form > him

I would have explained this whole ordeal better in another thread since this one was really rushed.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Mitsuki R>Fs the world including UEG

Yogiri's true form > him

I would have explained this whole ordeal better in another thread since this one was really rushed.

The Yogiri>Mitsuki scan?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The Yogiri>Mitsuki scan?

That scan is for Mitsuki > UEG, since its all a dream to him.

In V14 it is implied/explained that the relationship between Mitsuki and the world (including UEG) is the same between Yogiri's true form and the entire cosmology. But this Volume is untranslated for now.

And, as one would expect, Yogiri defeated Mitsuki already

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

That scan is for Mitsuki > UEG, since its all a dream to him.

In V14 it is implied/explained that the relationship between Mitsuki and the world (including UEG) is the same between Yogiri's true form and the entire cosmology. But this Volume is untranslated for now.

And, as one would expect, Yogiri defeated Mitsuki already

What did mitsuki dream of? The sea? Or the space beyond the sea?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Follow up question: Exactly how would Dreaming bridge the gap between Low 1-A and 1-A ? I thought the gap between Azathoth-like relationships between dream and dreamer was higher-dimensional, not qualitatively above what they dreamed.

 

[Tarang123]

Follow up question: Exactly how would Dreaming bridge the gap between Low 1-A and 1-A ? I thought the gap between Azathoth-like relationships between dream and dreamer was higher-dimensional, not qualitatively above what they dreamed.

Higher dimensional transcendences are qualitative, but that's not too relevant to your question

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Change my mind, even if Yogiri dreamed baseline Aleph-one structure it is just N¹*R not 2^N¹ (The way to reach N² or Aleph-2 from Aleph-1), which is the requirement for 1-A.
Yogiri just gained a single layer.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Um thank you for the correction Tarang, but the gap between 1-A & Low 1-A is like really big, I think conceptually above Low 1-As like High 1-As are conceptually above 1-As, from what I remember, which means nothing like the Higher-Dimensional or Mythos' Gates / Infinite Spiral like gaps would be enough for a Low 1-A to reach it.

 

[Tarang123]

Um thank you for the correction Tarang, but the gap between 1-A & Low 1-A is like really big, I think conceptually above Low 1-As like High 1-As are conceptually above 1-As, from what I remember, which means nothing like the Higher-Dimensional or Mythos' Gates / Infinite Spiral like gaps would be enough for a Low 1-A to reach it.

The difference between Low 1A and 1A is a lot smaller than High 1A to 1A. But that's a good point. However, I have to point at the FAQ again where it explains how a character can be 1A without a High 1B (or higher) cosmology

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

The difference between Low 1A and 1A is a lot smaller than High 1A to 1A. But that's a good point. However, I have to point at the FAQ again where it explains how a character can be 1A without a High 1B (or higher) cosmology

Oh. Um, I'm aware that you can be 1-A w/o having a High 1-B Cosmology. I've seen it happpen a 1-2 times. I was just wondering if dreams like I aforementioned was enough to satisfy the requirement with how far you are > the dream of the cosmology by being it's dreamer or viewing it akin to a dream.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Thanks for derailment

 

[Gasper]

Thanks for derailment

Absolutely no problem

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Why the votes haven't been updated?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Why the votes haven't been updated?

Lazy, if you do me favour and count them, I will be happy

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Lazy, if you do me favour and count them, I will be happy

Bruh, what a lazy girl.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Lazy, if you do me favour and count them, I will be happy

1 agree 99 disagree including 10 staff

 

[Ren1999]

Bumping this silent thread

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

It’s as if yogiri used his instant death on this thread

 

[Kerwin0831]

It’s as if yogiri used his instant death on this thread

That would mean the deletion of the thread, not just some mere halt.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

That would mean the deletion of the thread, not just some mere halt.

No he killed the activity of the thread not deleting it

 

[Kerwin0831]

Whatever Yogiri kills, stays dead.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Whatever Yogiri kills, stays dead.

He doesn’t have to necessarily kill you, he could just kill your arm and it won’t work anymore.

here he just killed the activity of the thread so that’s why it’s on hiatus

 

[Kerwin0831]

Yes but killing the activity of the thread would mean there will never be any activity in the thread after. It is similar to the deletion of the thread or a permanent halt where no activity in the thread can take place.

 

[Bobsican]

Let's just say a tier 0 power nulled it, move on

 

[ImmortalDread]

Bumping this silent thread

No need to, call staff members. People here are just derailing

 

[Ren1999]

No need to, call staff members. People here are just derailing

so just close this thread if it slips a lot, plus you have no intention of this thread either

 

[ImmortalDread]

so just close this thread if it slips a lot, plus you have no intention of this thread either

? Damn I did not know you read my intentions. And no, if I wanted to close, I would request it's closure.

Thanks for "suggestion" but no.

 

[Likelytierzero]

If consider dimension as a subset of a universe so wouldn't HRE,UEG will become 1A (or low 1A idk) and making ultimate ensemble 1A+ or high 1A.

 

[YungManzi]

If consider dimension as a subset of a universe so wouldn't HRE,UEG will become 1A (or low 1A idk) and making ultimate ensemble 1A+ or high 1A.

Yes, and that was my point earlier kek
Edit: if we fully accept the statement and don’t just use it as supporting evidence.
If a normal heavenly record becomes a low 1-A to 1-A structure (via the concept of dimensions being an aspect of universes) UEG and co become 1-A+ to High 1-A.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

If consider dimension as a subset of a universe so wouldn't HRE,UEG will become 1A (or low 1A idk) and making ultimate ensemble 1A+ or high 1A.

That a big if and a big stretch lol.
Dimensions as a subset will indeed make it Infinite Low 1-A, and transcending them will make you 1-A.
That lack context lol.