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Yogiri, 1-A possibly high 1-A

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How in tarnation did Yogiri can reach High 1-A from that statement alone?
The "No matter how many dimensions" is a literal textbook definition of aleph-1, which is the trancendence requirement for Low 1-A, let alone High 1-A.
and the dimensions the author says are not high D. To me they seem like pocket sizes in the Universe. What else could it mean to say that they are elements in the universe?
 
and the dimensions the author says are not high D. To me they seem like pocket sizes in the Universe. What else could it mean to say that they are elements in the universe?
Nah, I think they are legit mathematical Dimensions.
But for goodness sake, High 1-A are Inaccessible Cardinals!
The statement itself doesn't even reach Aleph-2!
 

Q: How can a character be 1-A and above without an infinite-dimensional/infinitely-layered cosmology, then?

A: A good way to accomplish this would be to show that whatever state of being in which they exist is completely independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting. For example, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted. This argument generalizes to tiers higher than 1-A as well.
 

Q: How can a character be 1-A and above without an infinite-dimensional/infinitely-layered cosmology, then?

A: A good way to accomplish this would be to show that whatever state of being in which they exist is completely independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting. For example, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted. This argument generalizes to tiers higher than 1-A as well.
I don't think it applies to pocket dimensions, the dimensions here are mathematical dimensions.
 
A good way to accomplish this would be to show that whatever state of being in which they exist is completely independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting. For example, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted.
Bah, you didn't even read the Low 1-A explanation, didn't you? Even higher than that are still bound by levels of infinities, those Author's statement without further context is just baseline Low 1-A.
Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions greater than the set of natural numbers, meaning in simple terms that the number of dimensions is aleph-1 (An uncountably infinite number, assumed to be the cardinality of the real numbers themselves), and therefore that such objects fully exceed High 1-B structures, which have only a countably infinite number of dimensions.
That shit is only on Low 1-A.
For instance, Low 1-A is defined as a size that is unreachable in relation to any countable number of dimensions and/or higher realms of existence, while 1-A trivializes such sizes in a similar manner.
 
Pocket sizes? Why do you bring up pocket sizes?
I think this is what the author was talking about in his answer to the question. "Dimensions are elements in the universe, some universes exist, some don't". it makes me think that the author is talking about pocket dimensons. It seems to me that he misunderstood the dimensons in the question asked and mentioned pocket dimensons.
 
I think this is what the author was talking about in his answer to the question. "Dimensions are elements in the universe, some universes exist, some don't". it makes me think that the author is talking about pocket dimensons. It seems to me that he misunderstood the dimensons in the question asked and mentioned pocket dimensons.
Considering he uses "次元" it's more likely to be mathematical dimensions.
 
TL;DR:
Yogiri is at most Low 1-A, High 1-A is just a huge wank (He should be superior to inaccessible cardinals to gain this). Hell, even for a 1-A rating the novels should state that no matter how many dimensions stacked upon each other into Aleph-2 are still inferior to Yogiri.
 
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I think this is what the author was talking about in his answer to the question. "Dimensions are elements in the universe, some universes exist, some don't". it makes me think that the author is talking about pocket dimensons. It seems to me that he misunderstood the dimensons in the question asked and mentioned pocket dimensons.
Instant Death is a verse that use the concept of higher dimensional continuum (Higher universe) that encompass, and embed lower dimensional universe as smaller part of itself with even higher dimensional continuum encompassing and embedding this universe, and so on.


What we need to focus on this part:
Dimensions, etc. are elements in one universe and may not exist in another.
If there is such a set of various universes, ...... well, well, Yogiri can ignore all of those things.
"Such a set of various universes" is refering to this hierarchy of higher universes, in that no matter how many "higher dimension" is stacked against it, it will never reach Yogiri. Hence, I propose that the author knows he is refering to mathematical dimension.

This is unrelated but I want to give prove that author understand concept of mathematical dimension:
It was, in a literal sense, a world in a different dimension. Call it the Astral Plane, the Spirit World, or the Abyss. It went by any number of names, but to put it into simple terms, it was a world where length, width, and height were supplemented with an additional fourth dimension. -V4 side story

Within this space, things mixed together to create a truly chaotic vision. Multiple locations overlapped, indicating where it was possible for him to interact with three-dimensional space. He searched for the lowest level of the research facility, a feat possible with his senses attuned to this additional dimension. It didn’t take much time to find it. Warping space, he approached the appropriate coordinates by drawing his desired destination closer to himself. -V4 side story
 
The FAQ makes it pretty clear that it isn't Low 1A, but 1A
Where? Low 1-A is still on 1-A spectrum.

Q: How can a character be 1-A and above without an infinite-dimensional/infinitely-layered cosmology, then?

A: A good way to accomplish this would be to show that whatever state of being in which they exist is completely independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting. For example, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted. This argument generalizes to tiers higher than 1-A as well.
Did you mean this?
You must understand the nature of tier 1-A that transcends Aleph-2, just saying it is superior to any dimension no matter how many they are is just the definition of Aleph-1.
 
I think this is what the author was talking about in his answer to the question. "Dimensions are elements in the universe, some universes exist, some don't". it makes me think that the author is talking about pocket dimensons. It seems to me that he misunderstood the dimensons in the question asked and mentioned pocket dimensons.
He did not misunderstand anything, rather you misunderstood it.
 
Considering he uses "次元" it's more likely to be mathematical dimensions.
My knowledge of Japanese is not very high, but the nature of the explanation seems to me to refer to the pocket dimensons, why would he use the phrase "some universes have it, some don't" for the mathematical dimension?
 
What is this debate even about?

You don't need infinite spatial dimensions for High 1-B.

If this hierarchy is infinite and has reality/fiction difference, then that's High 1-B and if he transends that he's 1-A.
 
I also agree on this just being Low 1-A, anything else would require staff input, which should be the case for this kind of tiers either way.

The proof for Yogiri not being a reverse smurf is also poor, plenty of tier 1 characters have their powers innately from themselves, yet we don't just assume their hax is also qualitatively on their level out of lacking feats in relation to that kind of structures to begin with.
 
From what I can tell, there’s nothing here that would grant high 1-A, let alone a possibly rating for it. It would need far more context to actually get that.

Also as others have said, this seems more like Low 1-A rather than 1-A. If it’s based on the fact that no matter how many dimensions you stack on you won’t be able to reach him, that just sounds like uncountably infinite to me which would be Low 1-A.
 
Ultimate Ensemble at its Lowest is Low 1-A; from the past threads like for The Downstreamers. Updated: As it stands, we currently rate this type of structure at Low 1-A to 1-A, as seen from this profile, and this thread. it can range from Low 1-A to Tier 0 with enough context.

I could see 1-A being valid from stacking dimensions being unreachable to Yogiri; existing outside the concept of dimensions should be tier 1-A. There was supporting evidence UEG can destroy everything, which would include the Ultimate Set of Worlds or Ultimate Ensemble of worlds being just a dream to Yogiri.
High 1-A for ultimate ensemble needs way more context on advanced mathematics.
What about this?
 
What about this?
I'm just gonna breakdown the three pieces of evidence in the OP and how I interpret them.
  1. The Q&A
    1. While the question does ask "Is the true form of Yogiri beyond the concept of dimensions?", the example they use to explain the question is just relating to stacking dimensions potentially infinitely which would just relate to a countable number of infinite dimensions. The answer then states that if such a set of universes with said dimensions exists (referring to the example given) then Yogiri would be above it which would just make him uncountably infinite, i.e. Low 1-A.
  2. The supporting evidence
    1. This just relates to Yogiri being the largest thing in the cosmology and defining everything below.
  3. Extra evidence
    1. While it does reference the Ultimate Ensemble, which would theoretically let him be 1-A thanks to transcending the Low 1-A Ultimate Ensemble, I don't know Japanese so I don't know the further context behind that sentence beyond it just referencing the Ultimate Ensemble. If it refers to the universes below Yogiri being comparable to an Ultimate Ensemble, sure then that's potentially evidence for baseline 1-A. Though I'm hoping this is a situation where the statement is translated by a credible translator.
 
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No? They're two different tiers. Otherwise, you'd also be saying that High 1A is also on the spectre, despite the fact that the FAQ outright makes a distinction between the two
Ask Plank or Ultima.
The "No matter how many dimensions" is a literal textbook definition of aleph-1, which is the trancendence requirement for Low 1-A,

, even for a 1-A rating the novels should state that no matter how many dimensions stacked upon each other into Aleph-2 are still inferior to Yogiri.
And read Abaddon post above.

Q: How can a character be 1-A and above without an infinite-dimensional/infinitely-layered cosmology, then?

A: A good way to accomplish this would be to show that whatever state of being in which they exist is completely independent of the number of layers/dimensions present on the setting. For example, if they are unaffected by dimensions being arbitrarily added or removed from physical space by virtue of transcending it entirely, or if they exist as a "background" or canvas of sorts in which any amount of them can be inserted. This argument generalizes to tiers higher than 1-A as well.
There is nothing in the answer that says you are guaranteed to reach tier 1-A, it only says generalizes to tier highe than 1-A.
 
There is nothing in the answer that says you are guaranteed to reach tier 1-A, it only says generalizes to tier highe than 1-A.
It said "tiers". There are only two tiers higher than 1A: High 1A and 0. Taking this into account, it also means that Low 1A is also a separate thing as Low 1A, 1A, and High 1A are all part of the "Outerverse" section. So this argument still doesn't work either way.

Besides, from what I remember, the logic for Aleph 2 being 1A was that it's above Real Coordinate Space, which the FAQ pretty much uses as another way of getting to 1A without a High 1B cosmology.
 
It said "tiers". There are only two tiers higher than 1A: High 1A and 0. Taking this into account, it also means that Low 1A is also a separate thing as Low 1A, 1A, and High 1A are all part of the "Outerverse" section. So this argument still doesn't work either way.

Besides, from what I remember, the logic for Aleph 2 being 1A was that it's above Real Coordinate Space, which the FAQ pretty much uses as another way of getting to 1A without a High 1B cosmology.
1-A transcend aleph-2, not being on it. That Low 1-A. And the fact that the FAQ are still being revised.
Also, where?
 
1-A transcend aleph-2, not being on it. That Low 1-A. And the fact that the FAQ are still being revised.
Also, where?
1A is aleph 2...
Low 1A is aleph1

Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions equal to the cardinal aleph-2
That's the description for 1A
Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions greater than the set of natural numbers, meaning in simple terms that the number of dimensions is aleph-1 (An uncountably infinite number, assumed to be the cardinality of the real numbers themselves), and therefore that such objects fully exceed High 1-B structures, which have only a countably infinite number of dimensions. More information on the concept is available on this page.
There's the description for Low 1A

So no, idk where you got this from.

As for the second part, you can just ignore that. It's not shown on the system, but it's the reason why verses like Megami Tensei are 1A instead of 1C
 
1A is aleph 2...
Low 1A is aleph1


That's the description for 1A

There's the description for Low 1A

So no, idk where you got this from.

As for the second part, you can just ignore that. It's not shown on the system, but it's the reason why verses like Megami Tensei are 1A instead of 1C
Those are the literal definition of transcend bruh.
 
I am fine with it, one admin already agreed with 1-A and he is expertise in verse and tier 1. I can still wait for more input.

But generally, stop derailing with question type, we have dealt with it in the first page.
 
I am fine with it, one admin already agreed with 1-A and he is expertise in verse and tier 1. I can still wait for more input.

But generally, stop derailing with question type, we have dealt with it in the first page.
The other one staff doesn't agree on 1-A, he agreed on Low 1-A.
Even Elizhaa said that At lowest Yogiri is Low 1-A. And can reach 1-A with much context.
 
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