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again scaling and stuff like that will probably be a second thread
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The existing kojmology is clearly created by the soul king, and the novels are also said, so there is already a 2C creation success. yhwach is also the soul king's (father's). He aims to destroy everything he has created and to make everything the way his father created the Universes, so there is feat. There are also many statements that yhwach will destroy the UniversesYou don't need to of course, but you need to have legitimate and consistent Universal feats to scale characters from in the first place.
DB has feats and better statements that support it's ratings. There are blatant statements saying that GoDs can destroy Universes, we almost saw on screen feat of Universal destruction, this is different from Bleach.
It's really not.
You are arguing for a character to be Universal in the first place, so prove he is Universal with Universal feats, prove he has physical strength and his abilities are this powerful by actual feats.
Then scale whoever you want no matter of the DC, idc.
It doesn't scale to their punches because characters like Goku never destroyed a universe, this is your logic lol,DB has feats and better statements that support it's ratings. There are blatant statements saying that GoDs can destroy Universes, we almost saw on screen feat of Universal destruction, this is different from Bleach.
This is not an assumption tho its a very valid point like I said in my previous post, the SK death started a chain reaction (very small earthquake that was barely detectable) and yes possibly with time it will get more violent and turn everything back to one.destroy it via some sort of chain reaction
False equivalency?It doesn't scale to their punches because characters like Goku never destroyed a universe, this is your logic lol,
Edit: also we have many statements btw, and the world almost got destroyed, stated by reliable sources,
And again I asked you to prove that Ichigo isn't on that tier, I'm gonna show you that whatever you say is done in another verse, which means it's an accepted thing here by our standards, which mean your claims don't mean anything here
Thanks.Nice
This is where you are getting it wrong, this is actually when scaling comes to play, if a feat is not consistent with the verse feats or characters that will eventually scale to the feat it doesn't get accepted.can yall chill.
Scaling will be discussed in full after we solve the collapse issue
Already said that since the first page, but people just like to bring up those points, they like to use the disbelief fallacy, like, come on cyber there is no way that Ichigo is that strongcan yall chill.
Scaling will be discussed in full after we solve the collapse issue
Planet has been accepted already. The only thing in contention is "possibly universal"This is where you are getting it wrong, this is actually when scaling comes to play, if a feat is not consistent with the verse feats or characters that will eventually scale to the feat it doesn't get accepted.
No. It just gets called an outlier. It doesn't make the feat illegitimate.This is where you are getting it wrong, this is actually when scaling comes to play, if a feat is not consistent with the verse feats or characters that will eventually scale to the feat it doesn't get accepted.
You stated that we don't see ichigo destroying universe with punches. I never said was, I'm just saying that you're committing an AOE fallacy, even IF I was you would be incorrect here, since he would scale to yhwach regardless.You don't need to of course, but you need to have legitimate and consistent Universal feats to scale characters from in the first place.
DB has feats and better statements that support it's ratings. There are blatant statements saying that GoDs can destroy Universes, we almost saw on screen feat of Universal destruction, this is different from Bleach.
It's really not.
You are arguing for a character to be Universal in the first place, so prove he is Universal with Universal feats, prove he has physical strength and his abilities are this powerful by actual feats.
Then scale whoever you want no matter of the DC, idc.
See, I don't understand the complaints about the scaling. These are the literal god tiers of the series, who almost nobody scales to, at the literal endgame of the series. There are no anti feats because this is them at their best, during the major events of the story's conclusion.This is where you are getting it wrong, this is actually when scaling comes to play, if a feat is not consistent with the verse feats or characters that will eventually scale to the feat it doesn't get accepted.
No problem.Edit: Oops, sorry. The above messages were added as I was typing this all up. I won't say anything else for the time being. Again, my apologies.
Dangai is zero distance away in a manner of speaking. When characters run through the Dangai to reach into the heart of Soul Society, they're not running a Universe-sized distance. When they exit the Dangai and enter Soul Society, or when they exit Soul Society and enter Dangai there is no great distance needed to be travelled.Is there any explanation for how yhwach got from SS to dangai? so how far dangai is considered from the SS because yhwach made his last move on the SS
It doesnt have to explode. Soul in either realm when at of balance dont explode to collapse, there is just too many, per rukia's statement. the flow in general has that power. If we go with the dangai option, this is how the collapse will happen. Dangai deals with this on a daily basis@Cyberblader90; the issue is that the flow itself is an Unknown figure, even if we assigned it an AP. It's an unknown number of souls transferring at anyone time on a regular basis.
And unlike say the Blanks being exploded by Senna which is understandably an AP feat, the simple act of a soul crossing the Dangai cannot be assumed to have comparable energy to all of that power being released at once in a volatile explosion.
dangai is not in the SS. located outside of dangai SSDangai is zero distance away in a manner of speaking. When characters run through the Dangai to reach into the heart of Soul Society, they're not running a Universe-sized distance. When they exit the Dangai and enter Soul Society, or when they exit Soul Society and enter Dangai there is no great distance needed to be travelled.
I'm not sure what you're referring to but if you're referring to him sustaining the realms and then collapse via that that doesn't make much sense since he was still alive when trying the merge. it only happens when the soul King diesI know Yhwach was going to destroy everything, but is it possible that he could’ve easily replicated what the soul king did as well?
Imo its like universes that are separated spatially but exist in the same timeline.Question since the output of the flow of souls is more so just ramming one of the universe's into the other, would that just be entirely 3A or does it qualify for low 2-c
Yeah I think that's more logical.then my proposal for the dangai bust is
5b, possibly 3-a
I was more referring to how the soul king created and separated everything to create the bleach cosmos. Since Yhwach absorbed a huge chunk of his power couldn’t he recreate what the soul king originally did if he wanted too?I'm not sure what you're referring to but if you're referring to him sustaining the realms and then collapse via that that doesn't make much sense since he was still alive when trying the merge. it only happens when the soul King dies
his body doesn't have to be 4D because I think the 3D character could be the 4D ap of reioI just want to know where the Soul King's Tier 2 energy went. Because its agreed that he created a tier 2 structure which makes him 4d but somehow all of the pieces of him seem to only be rated as 3d. Since it was said that you can subtract finite amounts of energy from infinity and still be left with infinity (this time), some piece of him has to still be infinity. So which fragment is it? The provably finite fragments or the single piece rated unknown that Yhwach absorbed?
You're not arguing for Garganta anymore?then my proposal for the dangai bust is
5b, possibly 3-a