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Siding with Cyber here still.
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Context is also important, Ichibei could be lying just to not directly say "thanks for the help and since you are ichigo's friends I won't kill you." What do you think would happen if Ichigo finds out that Ichibei killed Nel? Is a copout to avoid direct combat with Ichigo's allies.Context of when Ichibei is making the statement is important. He says "If we carelessly purify or eradicate you the way things currently stand..."
They had just come very near to everything collapsing after all.
The point is more that Hueco Mundo would be affected by it too.
As of right now the ability is treated as 4D, IF this thread passes the ability will be 3D and only the AP would be 4DQuick question although a bit derailing and I apologize in advance.
Is the Almighty a 4D hax?
I mean the reason why it was considered 4D was because it was used to separate the worlds, now that you guys no longer think so, does it still remain 4D and why?
No this is not the thread, the thread has already been passed so the ability is now 3D.As of right now the ability is treated as 4D, IF this thread passes the ability will be 3D and only the AP would be 4D
The reason why it was 4D was because of the SK seperation, now since it was not done with the almighty, it becomes 3DI think he is talking about Yhwach, but Idk much about hax
Yhwach's end goal is a complete to the old universe, which did not have boundary period. The Japanese raw posted a few times now supports that claim, since everything is back to the sea of origin, which was all of creation without a boundary. The notion it is specifically only a portion doesnt hold up.
That said i have to retract a scan used for this interpretation
So the line about Soul Society (尸魂界) and the Living World (現世) is literally the Dangai that acts as that boundary line between the two worlds.
ill edit it in to the post in a few hours@Cyberblader90; thanks for the breakdown and retracting that scan. I'll wait for your final point before I give my closing thoughts.
Which is still iffy btw. The garganta is not called a boundary ever in the show. It's based on an assumption born out of hyperspecific technicality and weird interpretation that somehow calls the container a boundary. There is only one thing that has been canonically called a boundary.and if we go off the notion the boundary is the garganta
It is stated we are talking about a boundary of Hueco Mundo, literally explicitly written multiple times; Dangai is detached and has no relation to Hueco Mundo, neither any other dimensions. Garganta is the only thing that match, The one using weird interpretation of something really blatant is you.Which is still iffy btw. The garganta is not called a boundary ever in the show. It's based on an assumption born out of hyperspecific technicality and weird interpretation that somehow calls the container a boundary. There is only one thing that has been canonically called a boundary.
i have added my final point, and expanded on the one prior.@Cyberblader90; thanks for the breakdown and retracting that scan. I'll wait for your final point before I give my closing thoughts.
It doesn't matter whether or not Hueco Mundo is "physically" connected to it. It is still a part of the same system.It is stated we are talking about a boundary of Hueco Mundo, literally explicitly written multiple times; Dangai is detached and has no relation to Hueco Mundo, neither any other dimensions. Garganta is the only thing that match, The one using weird interpretation of something really blatant is you.
the post above yours from me adds on that.Which is still iffy btw. The garganta is not called a boundary ever in the show. It's based on an assumption born out of hyperspecific technicality and weird interpretation that somehow calls the container a boundary. There is only one thing that has been canonically called a boundary.
Is Dangai the boundary for HM? Answer me pleaseIt doesn't matter whether or not Hueco Mundo is "physically" connected to it. It is still a part of the same system.
My first thought was like this when I heard about the Universel Ichigo for the first time, but really the evidence seems to show otherwiseIt's not hard to see that characters like Ichigo don't punch and attack with forces enough to destroy Universes.
I don't know, I didn't see any evidence in the form of Universal feats, I didn't see consistent Universal output for these characters.My first thought was like this when I heard about the Universel Ichigo for the first time, but really the evidence seems to show otherwise
no voting and given your response im curious if you have read the crt
Really doesn't seem so.
He didnt read anything, it is already established by both parts that the feats scale to stats due to Yhwach, and it is at least 5B.
What is discussed is the possibly Uni.
You have to expect a degree of ridicule, this is beyond ridiculous, AP and DC aren't the same thing, you don't need to literally destroy universes with your punches to have universal AP.It's not hard to see that characters like Ichigo don't punch and attack with forces enough to destroy Universes.
Exactly, I don't get how people can easily commit AOE fallacies like this, if this wasn't a fallacy, everyone would be tier 9 lmao.I mean to be fair, when you post includes things like;
You have to expect a degree of ridicule, this is beyond ridiculous, AP and DC aren't the same thing, you don't need to literally destroy universes with your punches to have universal AP.
If Yhwach does become Universal in AP, then guess what, so does Ichigo for harming and fighting him, that's how powerscaling works dude, he doesn't need universal DC feats of his own.
Already addressed. I dont want to start another debate. So let's talk about other things.It doesn't matter whether or not Hueco Mundo is "physically" connected to it. It is still a part of the same system.
he didn't answer ...Is Dangai the boundary for HM? Answer me please
feats are not limitations, by that logic Goku would be planet level and his uni feat would be outlier lolIt's not hard to see that characters like Ichigo don't punch and attack with forces enough to destroy Universes.
Nice AOE Fallacy lol.Is there a voting going on?
If so I disagree with Universal Yhwach and other characters. I am okay if you give Yhwach and SK the tier for destroying the Multiverse but I don't think it should scale to their other attacks and abilities, it makes no sense to me.
It's not hard to see that characters like Ichigo don't punch and attack with forces enough to destroy Universes.
You don't need to of course, but you need to have legitimate and consistent Universal feats to scale characters from in the first place.You have to expect a degree of ridicule, this is beyond ridiculous, AP and DC aren't the same thing, you don't need to literally destroy universes with your punches to have universal AP.
If Yhwach does become Universal in AP, then guess what, so does Ichigo for harming and fighting him, that's how powerscaling works dude, he doesn't need universal DC feats of his own.
DB has feats and better statements that support it's ratings. There are blatant statements saying that GoDs can destroy Universes, we almost saw on screen feat of Universal destruction, this is different from Bleach.feats are not limitations, by that logic Goku would be planet level and his uni feat would be outlier lol
You know whose attacks didnt destroy universes? Broly and Gogeta, please go and make a thread to downgrage them and look how people will laugh at that.
no offense but, seriously dude, there is something called powerscalling, you dont have to destroy a universe to prove that you are on that level when you have already fought people on that tier and you dont have any anti feats, the Ichigo mentioned in the OP is True bankai Ichigo, go and bring any anti feat for him please
btw there is a feat but no one cares about, Aizen destroyed the koutotsu, Kubo himself said that it controls/governs the space and time of the dangai, and Ichigo is above Aizen.
It's really not.Nice AOE Fallacy lol.