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Rukia and Urahara say the "collapse of the Universe", not the "collapse of the Universes."How does the collapse of the 2 universes affect the garganta, which is a much larger structure than the universe, and the huce mundo hell and other dimensions that are completely independent of those universes. collapse is logical both as the narrative of the series and logically. but with the disappearance of dangai I see nothing that indicates that garganta and everything else must disappear.
the feat of creating and destroying is not using the hax of almighty but pure raw power/energy/strengthIn English, please? What does that even mean?
The novels show us that the soul king created existing cosmology, the Stages. Let's say no, didn't he create it? It has been stated 27738383 times that yhwach's son could also destroy this cogmology. Should we ignore all of these? so writer: this character can destroy UniversesOkay well I've been following this thread and read the thread where it talked about the SK seperating the worlds with Almighty powers, first the fact that you think miraculously the author was not referring to hax the SK possesses which is also called "Almighty" btw is shocking.
If anything thats you giving it your own meaning and also me thinking it means another thing, boils down to head canon either way.
I realized that this thread is full of biased people, they dont really care about the scaling they just want an upgrade for their favorite verse tbh.
First they dont even see a problem with people that do not have a solid continental feat, just upscale suddenly getting increased to been able to destroy low 2C structures.
make it make sense
Then I realized that majority of the people here that supports this are those in the thread that disagreed with a universal rating for naruto characters.
P.S. I also disagree with universal nardo, since it doesn't make sense even though there are clear cut statements in the novels and databook that says otherwise compared to this that boils down to speculations and your own interpretations
I'm still neutral BTW cause I am not interested in having round about arguments.
Yes feels like I'm pointing finger but nah its just what I can see and what's happening.
good argument if YH planed to destroy it via the imbalance of souls, which is not the case as we see at the end and statements from the novelsRukia and Urahara say the "collapse of the Universe", not the "collapse of the Universes."
It seems to me that they're referring to the overall Bleach Cosmos collapsing if the two worlds (Soul Society and the World of the Living) end up overflowing into each other.
That's not my point. My point is that is the entire Universe will collapse via just the Soul Society and the World of the Living collapsing into each other, then all Yhwach would need to do is destroy the Dangai (which is described in the manga itself as the boundary keeping the souls from spilling over) and from there everything else would be destroyed. No need for him to destroy the Garganta itself.Yhwach isn’t destroying the worlds via an imbalance of souls. It’s clearly stated he would use his raw power.
What quincies are doing is causing a over flow of souls titling the balance causing a collapse. Not removing the boundaries like yhwachPeople were asking about how would this and this be relevant. But this ties all the way back into Rukia & Urahara's explanations at the beginning of the manga.
The worlds becoming unbalanced and collapsing into each isn't just the destruction of the two worlds, but the collapse of the entire Universe.
This collapse, the removal of life and death, is the same exact same thing as Yhwach's goals.
So in effect it all ends up the same way; if the worlds become unbalanced then everything in the Universe collapses back into the original form before the splitting. The Dangai is described as a boundary keeping the souls of each world separate, souls pass through the boundary in a cycle. If that boundary was removed, then all of the souls on both sides would have nothing keeping them apart and they would merge. Thus resulting in the "collapse of the Universe" as mentioned up above.
again, the dangai is nothing more than the bridge of SS and WOTL, HM is completely separated completely from it whereas garganta surrounds and encompasses all of them even allowing travel to places like the soul king palaceThat's not my point. My point is that is the entire Universe will collapse via just the Soul Society and the World of the Living collapsing into each other, then all Yhwach would need to do is destroy the Dangai (which is described in the manga itself as the boundary keeping the souls from spilling over) and from there everything else would be destroyed. No need for him to destroy the Garganta itself.
Also are you arguing for him destroying the worlds via raw power or destroying the Garganta via raw power? There seems to be a contradiction now.
he was destroying, garganta, SS, WOTL and HMWasn't Garganta going to be destroyed when yhwach was fusing Living World and Soul Society?
From Rukia's & Urahara's explanations, destroying the bridge will result in the collapse of the Universe and everything returning to the primordial world before life & death were separated.again, the dangai is nothing more than the bridge of SS and WOTL, HM is completely separated completely from it whereas garganta surrounds and encompasses all of them even allowing travel to places like the soul king palace
Uhhmmm all your feats are based on speculations thats my point, unless yhwach absorbs low 2C power, he is not becoming low 2C and I'm sure mimihagi and ichigo are not low 2CIf Character A has a feat and Character B scales to it...then methodology of "power boost" or sensibilities matter not...feats are feat and scaling is scaling.
Thats how all verses work....Bleach isn't doing anything criminal here.
Post in thread 'Yhwach, Destroyer of Worlds (Bleach God Tier Revision)'ugh
ill start typing now then. Ill balance between work
someone relink damage's post going over the op pls
Uhhmmm all your feats are based on speculations thats my point, unless yhwach absorbs low 2C power, he is not becoming low 2C and I'm sure mimihagi and ichigo are not low 2C
If he can destroy it when he's already fusing it, it has to mean he's strong enough to destroy it, and I don't have a problem with that.he was destroying, garganta, SS, WOTL and HM
Like I said before, if you continue with the meaningless comments, I'll have to ban you from the thread. It's not like you've been productive lately, all you do is make comments like these.Oh, is coming. Villains are working in the shadows. ;-;
It doesn't actually say Yhwach would destroy the boundaries.Even if we steel man this point it said hes destroying the boundaries not boundary. In which the dangai would be one boundary.
can you make the size of the images a bit lower?Tokinada's statement on the boundary removal
Tokinada here is stating that if ichigo not Defeated Yhwach the boundary would have been destroyed. Reio is not mentioned in this scene. Here tokinada is expressing displeasure that no one konw of ichigo's accomplishment and will never know.
If it's reference to Reio dying, recall ichigo failed miserably at that, twice. he killed reio and couldn't stop mimihagi's absorption as well.
Contextually this is referiing to ichigo's final fight with yhwach, not prior events.
Likewise, 684 shows this event was going top be caused by pure energy
Yhwach's plan argument
His original intention on panel is letting Reio die, sure, After that though, Askin makes it clear yhwach will destroy all three worlds
In chapter 680, yhwach performs his mass absorption. It is here clear by his dialogue that only can he achieve his goal directly:
While under kyoka suigetsu, he demonstrates yet again its via an energy aoe spreading outward
Oh, don't worry, IRL is way more important than this, take your timesorry for the length of this. this is my first post. my other will include everything else. im bouncing back between this and work
donecan you make the size of the images a bit lower?
on the scans above u can see it does say "Boundaries"It doesn't actually say Yhwach would destroy the boundaries.
Please do take your time about it, then.sorry for the length of this. this is my first post. my other will include everything else. im bouncing back between this and work
Except this is completely wrong.That's not my point. My point is that is the entire Universe will collapse via just the Soul Society and the World of the Living collapsing into each other, then all Yhwach would need to do is destroy the Dangai (which is described in the manga itself as the boundary keeping the souls from spilling over) and from there everything else would be destroyed. No need for him to destroy the Garganta itself.
Also are you arguing for him destroying the worlds via raw power or destroying the Garganta via raw power? There seems to be a contradiction now.
is gooduntil im back, would like thoughts on my post above
Was there another staff member already dealing with bleach...Does anyone have an issue with op other than Damage? everyone else seems to agree. I don't know the opinion of the other staff of course
and the opinion of the majority should not be taken less than the opinion of Damage. There are 10 people who agree with this issue and convey their arguments.Does anyone have an issue with op other than Damage? everyone else seems to agree. I don't know the opinion of the other staff of course
unfortunately unless u are a mod ur vote does not count for much anything besides a vs debate threadand the opinion of the majority should not be taken less than the opinion of Damage. There are 10 people who agree with this issue and convey their arguments.