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We’ve seemed to calm down for this thread so to avoid further cluttering it, I propose we wait and allow Damage and Cyber to continue their discussion since they’ve almost reached a middle ground it seems like
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Because it's based on a single highest interpretation of what's provided and that too has weak evidence to back it up. While other interpretations provided work with less assumptions and make more sense. I think it's only being pushed because it gives a higher rating, not realizing that to make a jump of that magnitude you need to have extraordinary evidence.I don't see why it's being labeled as a cop-out per se.
Just because you choose to ignore and not agree with, or it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean problems have not been pointed out.It’s not a copout and so far you’ve yet to debunk anything Cyber has stated.
"At Least 5-B" so they're above Baseline but aren't 3X Baseline because:Atleast at this point....almost all party agree with this atleast...even AKM.
If that's the case then why would they have an "At Least" next to the Tier?Since its only SS planet the blast epicentre starts...I doubts it would be allowed to go beyond that.
thats the best type of argumentGreat so according to AKM we’re pushing it cause we’re wankers. I love posts like this.
You literally can’t even explain your argument clearly and you’re talking about copouts?
No one agrees with your “part of Garganta” argument like at all.
Can we please wait until Damage and Cyber can talk to each other? I’ll admit I was heated before but I’m calm now and I generally think those 2 are some of the most level headed people to discuss this threadBecause it's based on a single highest interpretation of what's provided and that too has weak evidence to back it up. While other interpretations provided work with less assumptions and make more sense. I think it's only being pushed because it gives a higher rating, not realizing that to make a jump of that magnitude you need to have extraordinary evidence.
Just because you choose to ignore and not agree with, or it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean problems have not been pointed out.
Since the other planets are in other dimensions..."At Least 5-B" so they're above Baseline but aren't 3X Baseline because:
If that's the case then why would they have an "At Least" next to the Tier?
“The opposite, the opposite! You’re much, much more powerful than any old Hollow. If we carelessly purify or eradicate you the way things currently stand, the balance between the three worlds would collapse.”
Then they're just Baseline 5-B, via Yhwach destroying SS (The Planet), if that's the case, and don't get an "At Least" attached to the Tier right?Since the other planets are in other dimensions...
His blast would need to travel there with 2C range for all 3 planets to be affected
Thats what Damage and Cyber will discuss among other avenues.Then they're just Baseline 5-B, via Yhwach destroying SS (The Planet), if that's the case, and don't get an "At Least" attached to the Tier right?
Omg no...? Did you seriously gran a statement saying “ 3 worlds” to debunk everything we've posted?
All I said that higher ratings are being pushed when "extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims" is a thing.I think it's only being pushed because it gives a higher rating, not realizing that to make a jump of that magnitude you need to have extraordinary evidence.
That doesn't mean every little possibility needs to be made clear in the profile. The term should be used sparingly. It says that there. And the probability and reliability of the event should also be notable. Just because it is less than likely doesn't mean we slap it in every profile based on any kind of possibility.Should be used to list a statistic for a character with some basis, but inconclusive due to the justification being vague or non-definitive. The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly.
i am not pushing on "highest interpretation", its being argued because the novels and manga go hand in hand. We are given context on a previously vague feat.Because it's based on a single highest interpretation of what's provided and that too has weak evidence to back it up. While other interpretations provided work with less assumptions and make more sense. I think it's only being pushed because it gives a higher rating, not realizing that to make a jump of that magnitude you need to have extraordinary evidence.
Just because you choose to ignore and not agree with, or it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean problems have not been pointed out.
Indeed this. I'm seeing people try to conflate Dangai with Garganta when that has never been the case. Dangai doesn't even have anything to do with this conversation yet I saw it brought up multiple times.
what novel and page is this btwI'd like to add something. One of the main reasons people were opposing the Dangai part earlier was because Hueco Mundo is seemingly unconnected and shouldn't be involved in the balance between Soul Society and the Living World.
In the first novel, Ichibe states this:
So doesn't that prove that the fate of Hueco Mundo is tied into the balance between the Soul Society and the Living World? And therefore destroying that balance (or the boundary between them, which is stated to be the Dangai) would affect Hueco Mundo?
Now that's the rarest breed I ever sawi dont even like yhwach that much narratively
what novel and page is this btw
This statement Damage posted from the novel is in relation too Grimmjow due to his massive soul count present within his body.
If he were to killed he would likely upset the balance of souls which would lead to catastrophic results unless they can replace 100s of millions of souls.
This statement Damage posted from the novel is in relation too Grimmjow due to his massive soul count present within his body.
If he were to killed he would likely upset the balance of souls which would lead to catastrophic results unless they can replace 100s of millions of souls.
Hollows are part of the soul cycle so I don't see what this debunks.
Yes. Even Barragan the 2nd oldest hollow has no effect. Kubo doesn't even once acknowledge an espada’s death upsetting the balance or any hollow besides Iko.first response is pretty simple. Isnt this statement inherently contradicted by multiple espada deaths in the manga?
This actually creates further plot holes, since yhwach could kill grimmjow at any time, or harribel
first response is pretty simple. Isnt this statement inherently contradicted by multiple espada deaths in the manga?
This actually creates further plot holes, since yhwach could kill grimmjow at any time, or harribel
question, how long was this after yhwach's death?Context of when Ichibei is making the statement is important. He says "If we carelessly purify or eradicate you the way things currently stand..."
They had just come very near to everything collapsing after all.
The point is more that Hueco Mundo would be affected by it too.
"Immediately after the conflict" apparently.question, how long was this after yhwach's death?
i think a plot hole is still viable, because yhwach had the almighty and should have enough knowledge to know what ichibei said is true. thus it creates this weird scenario where he just needed to kill grimmjow or someone like him, and not go with what what he got.
It isn't stated that a chain reaction would destroy Garganta.
How the destruction of something smaller inside it, will destroy completely the Garganta?
Yhwach wanted a world without death. If he just let the Soul King die there wouldn't be a world left. Since there would be no one to remake it.
Nowhere does it state destroying the contents of Garganta would destroy the Garganta itself. Nothing is linked to it. It would simply remain intact as the void it already is.