Yhwach, Destroyer of Worlds (Bleach God Tier Revision)

[W0NDER3X]

The Garganta statements from SAFWY

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

after reading the final chapters for the context of what Yhwach was doing, Yhwach was starting to destroy everything from soul society.

The destruction clearly started on Soul Society, so if you really want to argue chain destruction (which is not implied by Yhwach) it would be:

Soul Society Dimension cease to exits by Yhwach's hand > Dangai fall > Living World fall > Hueco Mundo/other dimensions > everything is mixed even concepts > Primordial world.

Yhwach even opened a portal to went to Soul Society from another dimension, if his plan was to destroy Dangai he should have opened a portal inside it. But he didn't, because he never mentioned once it was his aim.

Yhwach was clearly conscious of his capabilities of destroying everything and bring back the primordial world from Soul Society.

This...basically THIS...
Even if Defense side steelmans the opposition....we still end up with 3A/Low2C for starting the chain reaction with destruction of SS.

 

[SilentBob34]

See, that's better.

Oh yeah, you’re right 100% reading my previous comment to this one, I was being very unnecessary and sarcastic with the whole he wrote Bleach thing

 

[AppleLord]

They specifically say the boundaries will be destroyed. First of all, there is massive assumption to even consider garganta to be a boundary because it could be achieved in alternate ways without contradicting that. And second of all, what you're calling boundaries is just the portion of garganta between the worlds, that is literally acting like a boundary. That's its base meaning. Not the entire encompassing structure. You don't call a container a boundary.

So going by your Occam's razor, your interpretation doesn't even fit.

They said the universe would be destroy, later they said only three worlds will be destroy, later they said two of them will be destroy. Depending on the other translation it says Garganta or everything will be destroy. Is a matter of speech that everything was going to be destroy, and slowly the story mentions every single part of it.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

The Garganta statements from SAFWY

so here we have a statement about garganta being the boundary

 

[KingTempest]

Oh yeah, you’re right 100% reading my previous comment to this one, I was being very unnecessary and sarcastic with the whole he wrote Bleach thing

At least you understand, no harm done

 

[AppleLord]

Making a big interpretation that could be possible =/= having sufficient backing to give a possibly rating. There are many points that were brought up against that.


Never said it exists in pieces. But the portion of the garganta that is technically functioning as boundaries between the worlds that separates them, can be destroyed partially. The destruction doesn't have to be whole.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Anyway I'm still proposing a possibly
I will not be free for at least an hour

 

[SilentBob34]

Anyway I'm still proposing a possibly
I will not be free for at least an hour

I agree with that. There’s evidence on both sides but more so on the op’s side. At the very bare minimum it’s considered planetary correct?

 

[AKM sama]

Firstly there are not many points, I ask you to write them because nothing has been brought up except damage Dangai explanation.

And I already explained it, you have to look at that scan after reading the final chapters for the context of what Yhwach was doing, Yhwach was starting to destroy everything from soul society.

The destruction clearly started on Soul Society, so if you really want to argue chain destruction (which is not implied by Yhwach) it would be:

Soul Society Dimension cease to exits by Yhwach's hand > Dangai fall > Living World fall > Hueco Mundo/other dimensions > everything is mixed even concepts > Primordial world.

Yhwach even opened a portal to went to Soul Society from another dimension, if his plan was to destroy Dangai he should have opened a portal inside it. But he didn't, because he never mentioned once it was his aim.

Yhwach was clearly conscious of his capabilities of destroying everything and bring back the primordial world from Soul Society.

And for the tiering read, last Cyber long post.

And yes they are the same thing given the context.

And this chain reaction stuff is too much abused. Yhwach feat had been proven to being different from Dangai destruction regarding Quincy.
So there is no chain reaction, It is never implied once. Neither by Yhwach, neither by anyone.

Why we cant take at face value Yhwach's claim? they are not contradicted by NOTHING.

You bring up some good points. I'll respond later, but for now I'll only say that the Soul Society can refer to just the planet they are on.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

You bring up some good points. I'll respond later, but for now I'll only say that the Soul Society can refer to just the planet they are on.

still need to break the dimension to reach outside of it

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

still need to break the dimension to reach outside of it

make sense

 

[Axxtentacle]

At the very minimum, it would be at least 2 planets being destroyed, going by the Dangai interpretation. With the Garganta interpretation, it’s at least 3, and unquantifiably higher than 3 if you count the Valleys of Screams.

You bring up some good points. I'll respond later, but for now I'll only say that the Soul Society can refer to just the planet they are on.

It can, but it makes no real sense for that entire dimension to be destroyed if it’s only referring to the planet in the universe itself.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

You bring up some good points. I'll respond later, but for now I'll only say that the Soul Society can refer to just the planet they are on.

Please don't say destroying Planet starts off the chain reaction that destroys the SS dimension that destroys the Dangai/Garganta whatever....

 

[Purgy]

Curiously, does this statement warrant or mean anything?

Time passes differently inside the Garganta than outside it. Cien and ZARAKI have already been fighting for over an hour. They’re covered in blood.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Not really I think. It’s already stated to be another space-time I think.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Curiously, does this statement warrant or mean anything?

Atleast it proves separation of space-times via differring speed of flow of time.....
But thats for next thread.

 

[YukaSama4]

Btw out of curiousity, when it was referred to SS as a planet?

 

[Damage3245]

The Garganta statements from SAFWY

Wait, so the Garganta isn't the boundary after all?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Btw out of curiousity, when it was referred to SS as a planet?

the name SS is used interchangeably between the planet they are on and the dimension

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Btw out of curiousity, when it was referred to SS as a planet?

SS is even referred to as timeline as one scan said...though who posted it I don't remember...

 

[YukaSama4]

the name SS is used interchangeably between the planet they are on and the dimension

Afaik its the dimension thats parallel to the WoTL, i always see people saying it refers to the planet but idk where did they get that from tho

 

[Axxtentacle]

Wait, so the Garganta isn't the boundary after all?

The Garganta isn’t the boundary between just the SS and the WOTL, no. But that was already established.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Azashiro is speaking of entering the Dangai. The boundary between human world and soul society.

If I recall his goal is to fuse with everything or something...

Ovy would know better.

 

[Ovy7]

Also, those are just summaries btw

 

[AKM sama]

Please don't say destroying Planet starts off the chain reaction that destroys the SS dimension that destroys the Dangai/Garganta whatever....

And if I say that, what would it really contradict here? It would result in the collapse of the universe and everything else without contradicting anything.

 

[Cyberblader90]

I would rather we don't use fan translation statements

Also from what I was reading in context it seems to be saying the boundary is the wall that is breaking because they're cracking the walls

 

[YukaSama4]

And if I say that, what would it really contradict here? It would result in the collapse of the universe and everything else without contradicting anything.

Destroying the planet will destroy the Garganta? Explain how please

 

[Cyberblader90]

Using this would be the equivalent of everything that was argued that the prior was criticized for.

These aren't even full translations but rather it's just summaries.

 

[Damage3245]

@AppleLord; regarding the diagram you posted up above, the Garganta is part of the Universe. If the Living World & Soul Society become unbalanced, then the Universe collapses into a world without life & death like Yhwach intended. If the Dangai, which is described as the boundary between the Living World & Soul Society is destroyed, then the worlds will become unbalanced, they will merge, and the Universe will collapse (including the Garganta).

It doesn't seem very complicated to me.

Using this would be the equivalent of everything that was argued that the prior was criticized for.

These aren't even full translations but rather it's just summaries.

I agree.

 

[Cyberblader90]

@AppleLord; regarding the diagram you posted up above, the Garganta is part of the Universe. If the Living World & Soul Society become unbalanced, then the Universe collapses into a world without life & death like Yhwach intended. If the Dangai, which is described as the boundary between the Living World & Soul Society is destroyed, then the worlds will become unbalanced, they will merge, and the Universe will collapse (including the Garganta).

It doesn't seem very complicated to me.

I would rather we just use the inverse diagrams we have.

Pretty sure that one is fan made but I'm not saying it's wrong

I'm just saying we have previously criticized against using mostly fan-made things

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The Garganta is not part of the universe...

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

@AppleLord; regarding the diagram you posted up above, the Garganta is part of the Universe. If the Living World & Soul Society become unbalanced, then the Universe collapses into a world without life & death like Yhwach intended. If the Dangai, which is described as the boundary between the Living World & Soul Society is destroyed, then the worlds will become unbalanced, they will merge, and the Universe will collapse (including the Garganta).

It doesn't seem very complicated to me.

living and dead only exist on WOTL and SS, HM would not be affected by that, not to mention garganta is separated from that

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

And if I say that, what would it really contradict here? It would result in the collapse of the universe and everything else without contradicting anything.

Ooofff....
Well there is no such mechanic which allows destruction of a low2C universe just because a planet exploded.
Destruction of SS dimension is the only way to......destroy SS dimension....duh.

 

[YukaSama4]

So far no one could debunk the argument that Reio created the Garganta and Yhwach planned to undo everything the Reio has done

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

If the Dangai, which is described as the boundary between the Living World & Soul Society is destroyed, then the worlds will become unbalanced, they will merge, and the Universe will collapse (including the Garganta).

It doesn't seem very complicated to me.

To destroy Dangai....you need to Destroy SS dimension first....since that is the origing and epicentre of AoE blast.

 

[Damage3245]

living and dead only exist on WOTL and SS, HM would not be affected by that, not to mention garganta is separated from that

Okay. I don't agree with that based on Yhwach's words about life & death merging. But I'm not sure there's more than can be said on that.

To destroy Dangai....you need to Destroy SS dimension first....since that is the origing and epicentre of AoE blast.

I don't agree.

 

[Cyberblader90]

@AppleLord; regarding the diagram you posted up above, the Garganta is part of the Universe. If the Living World & Soul Society become unbalanced, then the Universe collapses into a world without life & death like Yhwach intended. If the Dangai, which is described as the boundary between the Living World & Soul Society is destroyed, then the worlds will become unbalanced, they will merge, and the Universe will collapse (including the Garganta).

It doesn't seem very complicated to me.



I agree.

I'm not sure how the dangai destruction would affect the entire garganta. It eclipses the realms and it by quite a bit. This is again going off the notion that the dangai is the overall boundary, which comes into conflict with garganta being the fabric that holds every single dimension and is supported by garganta also protecting the reishi spaces within it

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Destroying the contents of the Garganta isn’t going to destroy the Garganta.

The Garganta holds all of reality. This isn’t like destroying the sun and it wipes out the solar system.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

don't agree.

Why..?? Thats...common sense logic.....why deny it??