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My point is that RWBY has a margain of plot holes due to mostly being a passion project and authors not being really good at writing.
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Yang vs Ozai
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It made him literally stick his face into a pile of rocks that Aang was under after he visibly activated the Avatar State.Theglassman12 said:
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What Plotholes?RebubleUselet said:
I'm actually curious.
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Reaaons above are basically flight and higher ap, considering its not just Yang's ap that increases but also her dura (since it has to or else she would injure herself) and yang does have ranged options that can 1 shot him if she has her semblance amped (it 1 shot neon and neon was hardly ever hit anywhere else in that fight) along with seudo flight, yang takes this.
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Except Jaune explicitly still had an Aura to protect him from blows. He simply didn't know how to shape it to get the best out of it. No matter how you spin it, getting hit twice and lowering to red is an extremely bad low-end.
Actually, ANY fight where Yang gets hit many, manny times at once results in her aura getting considerably depleted. She always makes it by the skin of her teeth
Except Jaune explicitly still had an Aura to protect him from blows. He simply didn't know how to shape it to get the best out of it. No matter how you spin it, getting hit twice and lowering to red is an extremely bad low-end.
Actually, ANY fight where Yang gets hit many, manny times at once results in her aura getting considerably depleted. She always makes it by the skin of her teeth
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It made him literally stick his face into a pile of rocks that Aang was under after he visibly activated the Avatar State.
You mean something that he didn't see at all happening, and after Aang was in the defensive a few minutes ago.
You mean something that he didn't see at all happening, and after Aang was in the defensive a few minutes ago.
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Yang: 5 (Weekly, Velox1r0kore, Ricsi, ZephyrosOmega, and Morlock435 )
Ozai: 6 (Kepekley23, Gargoyle, RebubleUselet, Everlasting, Dragoo Faust, and Theglassman12)
Yang: 5 (Weekly, Velox1r0kore, Ricsi, ZephyrosOmega, and Morlock435 )
Ozai: 6 (Kepekley23, Gargoyle, RebubleUselet, Everlasting, Dragoo Faust, and Theglassman12)
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@Morlock and being able to spam long range attacks from afar. You also forgot the part where we said that Ozai's High 8-C feat was casual.
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Yes, aura he had no idea how to use. Its the same as every other normal human in RWBY who has aura but can still get hurt and killed by the Grimm without being able to protect themselves. You need to train to be able to use your aura as an actual defence, but Jaune never recieved that training, so his aura was essentially that of just an average person in RWBY.Kepekley23 said:
In the fight against Neon she was hit a total of 12 times and her aura was barely under half, so no, she doesnt.
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@Glass I'd just like to point out that Yang actually outranges Ozai here by a decent margin
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@Weekly Ozai's range should be much bigger than that.
@Poinciana unquantifiable doesn't mean useless. The fact that it was casual means he's capable of more than that.
@Poinciana unquantifiable doesn't mean useless. The fact that it was casual means he's capable of more than that.
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@Glassman that's what higher ap means. And yang with Semblance range attacks are > than Ozai ranged attacks, like I said she 1 shot neon.
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OK no. Ozai did not see that Aang entered the Avatar State. He got slammed into a pillar and fell into rocks; end if he was glowing it would be masked by the fire and debris. The moment he jumped out and grabbed him, Ozai knew he was screwed and looked scared. He had no idea Aang was in AS when he was taunting him.
OK no. Ozai did not see that Aang entered the Avatar State. He got slammed into a pillar and fell into rocks; end if he was glowing it would be masked by the fire and debris. The moment he jumped out and grabbed him, Ozai knew he was screwed and looked scared. He had no idea Aang was in AS when he was taunting him.
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Ozai's highest calculated range is 50+ metersTheglassman12 said:
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Ozai is much more powerful than the calc he has since it was casual. Her boost isn't going to help much against someone that's higher than her in power.Morlock435 said:
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He is unquantifiably higher due to having no other calc, while Yang's boost is quantifiable. Nothing is saying Ozai is stronger than Yang with her Semblance.Theglassman12 said:
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Ozai's highest calculated range is 50+ meters
Does that include his earth kingdom fire, which he did while he was in the air, and was scorching a pretty big chunk of the land.
Does that include his earth kingdom fire, which he did while he was in the air, and was scorching a pretty big chunk of the land.
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That's what im referring to yesTheglassman12 said:
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The idea that Jaune was completely inept at Aura by the time he fights Cardin is false. His aura got unlocked by Pyrrha five episodes earlier. He already knew what Aura was, he just did not know how to optimally use it. He was explicitly said to have a lot of Aura, and after fighting Cardin he outright got his Aura drained by continuous physical attacks. Even if it was not optimal, it doesn't change the fact it's a huge low end showing
In the fight against Mercury she was hit roughly six times by his physical attacks, before getting hit by many rounds at once and getting her aura depleted down to literally one point more than the minimum.
Replace Mercury with Ozai and rounds with "large fireballs" and you're seeing how she loses
In the fight against Mercury she was hit roughly six times by his physical attacks, before getting hit by many rounds at once and getting her aura depleted down to literally one point more than the minimum.
Replace Mercury with Ozai and rounds with "large fireballs" and you're seeing how she loses
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Mercury is High 8-C and Yang was 8-C, how is that even a comparison?
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Youre really using Mercury, the guy who is explicitly sronger than Yang, as an example here? When i literally gave you an example of Yang fighting someone equal to her?
If this were pre-timeskip Yang then i would but its not, its post timeskip.
If this were pre-timeskip Yang then i would but its not, its post timeskip.
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1.44 tons vs. 2.1ish tons
2 tons vs. "sizeably higher than 2.12 tons"
Is this difference big enough to literally change the entire fight?
2 tons vs. "sizeably higher than 2.12 tons"
Is this difference big enough to literally change the entire fight?
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How strong do you have to be to take a 1.44 ton attack with no damage?
Because Mercury didn't even flinch.
Because Mercury didn't even flinch.
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No, its not, because if he hits her once it because At least 4 tons vs unquantifiably higher than 2.12 tons. If he hits her again it becomes 6. And so on
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Yang using her Semblance right at the beginning or in the middle has been debunked by me several times by now.
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For now, I leaning towards Ozai FRA, but I am interested to see where this whole thing goes.
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The gap in their power is nowhere near big enough for Ozai to be able to overpower her before her semblance lets her oneshot him
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Doesnt mean she wont use it like youre suggesting, which ive debnked several times now.Kepekley23 said:
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Neon is nowhere near Yang, she got semi one shotted by Yang firing a single shell at her and relied on her great speed to do anything. Her best strength feat is an attack that Yang tanked.
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Yes, Neon being oneshotted by a semblance amped Yang means that she's nowhere near base yang when she demonstrated several times to be on her level.
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Strawman. I never said Yang would't use it.
I'm contesting she using it before Ozai dozes her with continuous fireballs and shatters her aura.
Strawman. I never said Yang would't use it.
I'm contesting she using it before Ozai dozes her with continuous fireballs and shatters her aura.
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Yang: 5 (Weekly, Velox1r0kore, Ricsi, ZephyrosOmega, and Morlock435 )
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@Kep Except he wont shatter her aura because he doesnt have the AP to do wo before she realizes she needs her semblance
And again, Yang has superior range and the mobility to avoid most of his attacks at a distance
And again, Yang has superior range and the mobility to avoid most of his attacks at a distance
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Since when do Yang's shotgun shells become stronger when she uses her Semblance? She literally blew Neon out of the sky by firing a shell at her
Also, Neon never demonstrated anything on Yang's level. Her best feat is sending her flying and Yang literally completely tanking it.
Since when do Yang's shotgun shells become stronger when she uses her Semblance? She literally blew Neon out of the sky by firing a shell at her
Also, Neon never demonstrated anything on Yang's level. Her best feat is sending her flying and Yang literally completely tanking it.
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Since always? She fires kinetic energy from Ember Celica which increases in power with her Semblance, its always been like that.
Yang did not completely tank it, and the fact that Neon was able to damage Yang's at all means she's at least comparable to her.
Yang did not completely tank it, and the fact that Neon was able to damage Yang's at all means she's at least comparable to her.
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Yang can use her Semblance without Aura you know.Kepekley23 said:
Not only that but they don't get that much weaker from Aura dropping as Nora and Ren were still able to hurt the Nuckleeve which means their AP doesn't change much if at all.
https://youtu.be/7Sn8BGKOv6Q?t=177
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@Poin Oh im aware, i dont get why its being treated like Yang will be instantly oneshot if her aura goes down
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I don't know. Humans have shown the ability to take punches that are less than 2x weaker before. It scales him to High 8-C or so.
No, you can't use your Semblance if you're out of aura.
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It will shatter her aura. Continuous attacks harshly deplete aura, this is undeniable, and Ozai is stronger than Base Yang.
I don't know. Humans have shown the ability to take punches that are less than 2x weaker before. It scales him to High 8-C or so.
No, you can't use your Semblance if you're out of aura.
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It will shatter her aura. Continuous attacks harshly deplete aura, this is undeniable, and Ozai is stronger than Base Yang.
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It will not shatter her aura, at least not as quickly as youre implying. Ozai is BARELY stronger than base Yang.
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Aura is not fuel for Semblance since that is a MASSIVE contradiction to what has been shown.
Qrow's Semblance is always on, Yang uses her Semblance without Aura, Hazel using his Semblance without Aura, Yang's fight with Mercury, and what Nora said to Jaune.
Nora: How else do you think you're healing her, dummy?
Jaune: No. I don't think I'm healing her. Our Aura heals our bodies. It feels… it feels more like I'm using my Aura to amplify hers!
Nora: Wait, aren't you worried about running out?
Nora was only worried about Jaune running out of Aura till he said he was using his Aura to amplify Weiss's Aura. If Semblances were fueled by Aura then this scene makes no sense.
Qrow's Semblance is always on, Yang uses her Semblance without Aura, Hazel using his Semblance without Aura, Yang's fight with Mercury, and what Nora said to Jaune.
Nora: How else do you think you're healing her, dummy?
Jaune: No. I don't think I'm healing her. Our Aura heals our bodies. It feels… it feels more like I'm using my Aura to amplify hers!
Nora: Wait, aren't you worried about running out?
Nora was only worried about Jaune running out of Aura till he said he was using his Aura to amplify Weiss's Aura. If Semblances were fueled by Aura then this scene makes no sense.
