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Yang vs Ozai

Kepekley23 said:
Sun's Aura not being on is an excuse to get around the fact he got incapacitated. He used his Semblance moments earlier. There's zero proof he decided to let his guard completely down in the face of a threat. It was on until you prove otherwise.

It's not useless, actually, only reason why any RWBY character manages to fght for a few seconds against 7-Bs before getting ultra stomped is their aura, and Nora was getting bulldozed by Hazel's lightning, no matter how it is spun.
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The proof also being that we did not in any way see his aura get broken. It never happened, therefore he must have not had his aura on since electricity does not bypass aura.
 
1. He got incapacitated by the electric attack. Whether or not it outright broke it is irrelevant to this match up, as incap is a win for Ozai

2. "Electricity does not bypass aura" is circular reasoning. "Sun got electrocuted because his aura was down. Proof? Because electricity doesn't bypass aura."
 
1. No RWBY character has ever been incapacitated by electricity from another character on the same tier while their aura is up. Its never hppened. You still have yet to show any proof of such a thing happening. Stop saying Ozai can incap via electricity because he cant.

2. Youre not listening. His aura was down because Ilia was able to stab him with her weapon and leave a visible wound. If his aura were up she would not have been able to do so. That is the proof that his aura was down. He was electrocuted because his aura was down. Hell the Grimm dragon wasnt able to electrocute him due to his aura being up.
 
1. Sun got incapacitated by Ilia.

2. Please explain how in the depths of Valhalla Sun managed to drop his aura seconds after using his Semblance with the characteristic aura glow, why him being careless with his aura was never stated or implied in the scene at all?

Adam, who several people in this thread agree should be downgraded, cut out Yang's arm while she was using her Semblance, and thus was at the peak of her Aura, suggesting aura is not the omnipotent barrier you suggest. Low end showings.

Sun actually was electrocuted by the Dragon, but it was a very small charge, since he just touched the tip of the Dragon's head and jumped out, which is why it only elec'ed him for a few seconds.
 
Not stated in the scene. That's what people keep saying and I have yet to find in-universe proof of.
 
Because. His. Aura. Was. Down. How many times am i going to have to say it, the fact that Ilia was able to stab him with her weapon in the first place is solid, inarguable proof that his aura wasnt up as if it WAS up, she would not have been able to stab him. Unless you want to argue that Ilia is several tiers above Sun or has some previously unknown weapon that ignores Aura, the only logical conclusion is that his aura was down.

Yang having her semblance active only further solidifies that Adam is tiers above Yang and Blake as he was able to cut straight through their Aura, something which, again, characters like Vernal who can stomp them in a fight and can oneshot Weiss' Arma Gigas cannot accomplish. And no, Yang with her semblance is NOT at the peak of her Aura, her Semblance literally works by taking damage to her aura and making her stronger in turn. Its not a low end showing at all.

Just like how Ren was shocked by Nolan and fell over, then got back up and was fighting just fine after that, even going on to beat Nolan in a fight shortly after? No RWBY character has ever been hit by an electrical attack by someone else of their same tier and been out for more than a few seconds unless their aura was down, or unless the person they were fighting is several tiers above them.
 
Just want to point out that every time Aura breaks we get a clear sign of it happening. Not once in the show has someone's Aura ever broken without a effect.

The fact that Sun was stabbed yet there was no effect implies that his Aura was down. Unless you can find one scene where a person has their Aura broken with no effect present.

(White Trailer doesn't count)

Sun was taken completely off guard due to the fact he was tired and that he didn't know that Ilia's weapon could extend like that.

I know it was never stated but it's implied that his Aura wasn't up or we would have seen it break.
 
Why is this an argument? Research the scene and we literally see Sun's aura go down. He overexerts himself and makes way more clones than he can handle to hold Illia, then we see his aura drop when his clones disappear.
 
Siding with Kepp on this one, and voting for that crazy flying man with pyromania.
 
For note, it didn't even take them 13 seconds into the first episode to Volume 4 to contradict everything they established about the Grimm before
 
Throwing my hat into the "High 8-C Ozai is casual" topic. Yes, it was. It was his opener and he never showed fatigue or intense concentration when using it. Furthermore, he was going to burn most of the Earth Kingdom. He would need to sustain that attack for hours, and there is no way he could do that unless it was casual.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Not stated in the scene. That's what people keep saying and I have yet to find in-universe proof of.
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If it wasn't down his semblance wouldn't have worn out and Illia wouldn't have gotten back up
 
@Poin

Back in Season 1 they were telling us that Grimm become stronger by evolving over time. And in the first seconds of Vol. 4's episode 1 we see a fully-grown Beowolf come out of a primordial ooze
 
I will not keep on with this. It will be an endless back & forth. I will just get to the point.

Aura doesn't protect the user completely even against physical attacks. After being hit by Cardin directly, Jaune's aura pretty much went down from green to red in moments.

Against Ozai, Yang's aura is not going to resist many blows. Flat out.
 
RebubleUselet said:
@Poin

Back in Season 1 they were telling us that Grimm become stronger by evolving over time. And in the first seconds of Vol. 4's episode 1 we see a fully-grown Beowolf come out of a primordial ooze
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That doesn't contradict anything though.
 
That wasnt a fully grown Beowulf. They get armor as they get older, the mask only beowulf is the weakest version. The maskless beowulfs from the red trailer dont exist as they were just proof of concept for roosterteeth.
 
@Kep Yes because Jaune had no control over his aura, something that was very explicitly stated and the entire reason Pyrrha was traininig him. Comparing Yang to Jaune is frankly horrendously innacurate.
 
Poinciana1971 said:
What Logic are you using, how does that contradict anything?
We have now idea what that stuff even is, the only thing we know about it is that it's similar to what Kevin made which WOG said that it's a hint of where Grimm come from. Clearly that means Grimm don't actually come from their.
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Is this a some sort of reverse psychology? Otherwise this logic makes no sense to me either
 
RebubleUselet said:
Is this a some sort of reverse psychology? Otherwise this logic makes no sense to me either
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Okay that's creepy, how did you even see that I deleted it 2 seconds after posting it?
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Kep Yes because Jaune had no control over his aura, something that was very explicitly stated and the entire reason Pyrrha was traininig him. Comparing Yang to Jaune is frankly horrendously innacurate.
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Jaune did not know how to get the best out of his Aura, as stated by Glynda. He didn't know how to properly fight with it. Nobody said anything about his Aura itself being shit.

He got hit by Cardin with sustained physical blows and it easily broke through his aura. Yang's Aura isn't lasting long.
 
Vote Count Update

Yang: 4 (Weekly, Velox1r0kore, Ricsi, and ZephyrosOmega )

Ozai: 5 (Kepekley23, Gargoyle, RebubleUselet, Everlasting, and Dragoo Faust)
 
Yang will be able to survive MUCH more damage on top of ozai being literally 1% stronger than her while her AP and durability go up exponentially if he actually does manage to hit her, enough to be able to oneshot.

Doesnt help that Ozai is cocky either
 
@Poin

Magic ovo

But tbh, I dropped RWBY after Volume 4, so my memory might be rusty, which is why I can't be necessarily correct. But aren't Creepers and the likes supposed to be the weakest Grimm?
 
Poinciana1971 said:
Vote Count Update

Yang: 4 (Weekly, Velox1r0kore, Ricsi, and ZephyrosOmega )

Ozai: 5 (Kepekley23, Gargoyle, RebubleUselet, Everlasting, and Dragoo Faust)
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You forgot my vote.
 
Correction; Yang will dodge some of his fire, as soon as she gets caught in one she will be unable to react and her Aura will be severely depleted by the sustained attacks
 
Vote Count Update

Yang: 4 (Weekly, Velox1r0kore, Ricsi, and ZephyrosOmega )

Ozai: 6 (Kepekley23, Gargoyle, RebubleUselet, Everlasting, Dragoo Faust, and Theglassman12)

Am I missing someone else?
 
Kepekley23 said:
Jaune did not know how to get the best out of his Aura, as stated by Glynda. He didn't know how to properly fight with it. Nobody said anything about his Aura itself being shit.
He got hit by Cardin with sustained physical blows and it easily broke through his aura. Yang's Aura isn't lasting long.
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No, it is explicitly stated in the show that students train to hone and wield their aura in schools like Signal and Beacon. Jaune never learned how to do so and didnt even know aura existed until Pyrrha explained it to him. He had no idea how to control his aura until after the timeskip.

Yes, because his aura isnt durable enough to sithstand hits. And youre essentially ignoring every fight yang has ever had if you think her aura will be down in a few hits from someone equally as powerful as her
 
@Weekly Ozai being cocky didn't stop him from spamming huge flames and lightning at his target from a distance.
 
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