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Yang vs Ozai

He didnt have his aura on because he literally got stabbed which shouldnt have been possible if his aura was up.

Circular reasoning is circular
 
Kepekley23 said:
He didnt have his aura on because he literally got stabbed which shouldnt have been possible if his aura was up.
Circular reasoning is circular
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the fact that he was stabbed goes against the rules of the verse, plus burden of proof fallacy
 
Kepekley23 said:
Circular reasoning is circular
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How is that circular reasoning? Seriously explain how. The proof that his aura wasnt up was that he was able to be physically stabbed, which shouldnt be possible if his aura was up, and electrocuted, which going by every other feat of electricity in RWBY shouldnt have been possible if his aura was up.
 
Actually, Weekly is the one who has to prove Sun didn't have his aura on. Sun got electrocuted by Ilia, and therefore RWBY characters get their aura depleted by electricity.

There's nothing to suggest his aura wasn't on. That's a baseless excuse.
 
The proof that his aura wasnt up was that he was able to be physically stabbed, which shouldnt be possible if his aura was up, and electrocuted, which going by every other feat of electricity in RWBY shouldnt have been possible if his aura was up.

I literally just proved it. RWBY charcters dont get aura bypassed by electricity. No excuses. This is fact.
 
Nora's Semblance works automatically when you attack her with electricity.

Which is a low end outlier as surviving lava is 9-B and Weiss' Aura can take a beating from 8-Cs. Ruby's took a 7-B fireball, which is a high end outlier for the same reason. Neither are "feats"
 
Actually, that just proves his aura got bypassed by the attack, not that his aura was down, something that is never suggested by the scene

@Kal

Nora was being electrocuted, and then she put her arm up around the source of the electricity, which immediately activated her Semblance. Before that, she was being electrocuted

Lava is 9-B, but heat based attacks are a thing in fiction. Heat and durability are separated in several fictions.
 
"The proof that his aura wasnt up was that he was able to be physically stabbed, which shouldnt be possible if his aura was up"

You mean like when Adam stabbed Blake?
 
@Weekly

I sure remember Pyrrha getting up from Cinder's last arrow to the chest in their fight.
 
Kepekley23 said:
@Weekly
I sure remember Pyrrha getting up from Cinder's last arrow to the chest in their fight.
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You mean when her aura was down? Because it was. And Cinder is 7-B so...

You saying that Merc 's fire tanking feat is an outlier and then using Cinder being able to stab Pyrrha as an argument doesnt work
 
And thus she was stabbed? How about Adam slicing Yang's arm off?

Sun's Aura being down is literally never suggested or stated in the entire scene, and he is literally seen using his Aura seven seconds earlier. There's zero proof it was down. He got electrocuted and incapacitated.
 
Heat and durability are separated because authors don't do math.

Do you think that Natsu can one shot Jubileus from Bayonetta because he has High 6-C flames and she died due to the heat of the sun, which is 8-C+ to 8-A+?
 
Kepekley23 said:
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Yes, an 8-C without aura was stabbed by a 7-B, you are correct, though that doesnt in any way help your argument. Adam the amped 7-B? When Vernal the 8-B couldnt cut through Weiss' aura?

Sun getting stabbed contradicts every single instance of Aura being used ever in the entire series unless Ilia is several tiers above him. Either his aura was down, ilia is Pro huntsman level, or her weapon ignores aura.
 
Vote Count

Yang: 4 (Weekly, Velox1r0kore, Ricsi, and ZephyrosOmega )

Ozai: 2 (Kepekley23 and Gargoyle)

Did I miss anyone?
 
Broly and Cooler getting harmed by the Sun's heat is also a plot point in Dragon Ball Z. It's because the characters aren't all that resistant to heat-based attacks, which in fiction are often separated from durability.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Adam being 7-B is contested by several people from what I've seen around here.
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I distinctly remember that he was going to be downgraded back when Volume 5 ended, but it kinda died.
 
Which is dumb. Because thermodynamic is a thing, and heat is just a different form of energy.

People get harmed by bullets all the time too, but we don't count those as durability negation weapons, because they aren't.
 
At worst Adam is At leat 8-B for being able to cut through Aura which not even Vernal was able to do (Though both Blake and Yang were coming out of combat and their aura level was definitely not at max as a result, though Weiss' aura wasnt at max either and Vernal still couldnt get through it with one attack like Adam did)
 
Conservation of energy is also a thing, but we don't use it here. We only use IRL science if it is actually not contradicted by the series.

We don't because these are guaranteed to be low-ends due to the consistent scale of the feats. However, heat based attacks are consistently treated as ignoring the durability of characters without the feats to resist them in fiction.
 
Also, lava being 9-B is not a given. It rests several kilometers inside of the Earth's chamber, it erupting can yield far bigger results than 9-B
 
An eruption is above 9-B thanks to KE. The heat doesn't go above that.

Seriously, it's like saying that unless Ozai tanked a High 8-C punch, Yang would blow off his head with a punch, because resisting heat =/= durability
 
Pretty sure there are ma~~ny examples in fiction of heat being outright damaging to characters with higher durability. Ignoring the examples because of a faux compromise with real life physics isn't honest, no offense to yoi or anyone.

? That's a false equivalence. Ozai has tanked High 8-C attacks
 
There are also a metric ton of examples of weapons like swords being automatically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punches, kicks etc, but we ignore that.

And that's you missing my point. Heat isn't hax. It's energy. If a character can survive the Planck temperature, what's this?

A good durability feat, or an incredibly good resistance feat that doesn't scale to durability?
 
Resisting a sword is actually treated as resistance to bladed weapons, which is why, for example, people tend to downplay Naruto by saying his bladed weapons durability is shit because he got stabbed by a sword, among other examples

Surviving the absolute highest temperature isn't treated as physical durability, in the same way we don't treat surviving Absolute Zero as physical durability. We treat it as resistance to that low of a temperature.
 
So are you telling me that given that MUI Goku never tanked a Low 2-C sword slash, any Low 2-C with a sword automatically bisect him with casual ease?

Except that it is. It's literally why you can use it for calcs.

AZ is different. It doesn't negate durability because it's cold, but because the atoms literally fall apart.
 
A Low 2-C with a Low 2-C sword tends to use it to bisect others. I think assuming a Low 2-C blade can cut Goku would be literally our standard assumption, even if it isn't with ease.

Planck temperature shouldn't be used for calcs as the behavior of particles at that temperature is mostly unknown to the current scientific community. It has even been theorized that the temperature could exceed other constants, IIC
 
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