Yan Sen Re-evaluation CRT

[Quintessence_PE]

I dont see wht dragon ball must be downgrade

It shouldn't be downgraded anyway, what I want to say here is that if we think about what you keep repeating, with this thought, dragon ball and similar universes should be downgraded, so what I want to say is that what you say doesn't make sense, anyway thanks for your vote, you can go.

 

[Fixxed]

It shouldn't be downgraded anyway, what I want to say here is that if we think about what you keep repeating, with this thought, dragon ball and similar universes should be downgraded, so what I want to say is that what you say doesn't make sense, anyway thanks for your vote, you can go.

Yeah but i see in here it just have tier 3A for proof that they can destroy the universe to nothingness, it also literally stated entire or whole universe

 

[EndlessWords]

Yeah but i see in here it just have tier 3A for proof that they can destroy the universe to nothingness, it also literally stated entire or whole universe

The wiki uses the block universe philosophical vision for each fictional universe by default, so a low 2-C character is superior to a 3-A or high 3-A character because he doesn't simply destroy a finite or infinite amount of matter but an infinite amount of three-dimensional "snapshots" contained in the space-time continuum.

In this scene we see that Yan Sen is outside this 3+1 dimensional space-time and crushing it. To say that this feat is 3-A is to say that Yan Sen, in crushing the entire structure, has in fact destroyed only a tiny part of it. In some fictions, it's hard to know exactly what a character has destroyed or risks destroying when he's declared capable of destroying the universe, whereas in Yan Sen's case we know it's the entire 4D structure because he's doing it from the outside.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

The wiki uses the block universe philosophical vision for each fictional universe by default, so a low 2-C character is superior to a 3-A or high 3-A character because he doesn't simply destroy a finite or infinite amount of matter but an infinite amount of three-dimensional "snapshots" contained in the space-time continuum.

In this scene we see that Yan Sen is outside this 3+1 dimensional space-time and crushing it. To say that this feat is 3-A is to say that Yan Sen, in crushing the entire structure, has in fact destroyed only a tiny part of it. In some fictions, it's hard to know exactly what a character has destroyed or risks destroying when he's declared capable of destroying the universe, whereas in Yan Sen's case we know it's the entire 4D structure because he's doing it from the outside.

idk man here the narration specifically said him just warping space more and more at a ridiculous level and not the entirety of time or all its snapshot
just the space where the Earth is and where they currently are

I also find it uncanny how this context was left out from the scans when he flipped the entire space to become 2D plane

 

[EndlessWords]

idk man here the narration specifically said him just warping space more and more at a ridiculous level and not the entirety of time or all its snapshot
just the space where the Earth is and where they currently are

I also find it uncanny how this context was left out from the scans when he flipped the entire space to become 2D plane

I wasn't talking about this scene, but the scene where Yan Sen destroys the vampire universe.
This scene that you posted is not the main proof for his obtaining tier low 1-C but an additional proof.

 

[SweetDao]

idk man here the narration specifically said him just warping space more and more at a ridiculous level and not the entirety of time or all its snapshot
just the space where the Earth is and where they currently are

He warped the space of the entire universe, even if it would have been ambiguous since he did it from the inside this time, the scene after with the Super Mech robot explaining what happened explicitly states that he did so with the whole infinite universe.

I also find it uncanny how this context was left out from the scans when he flipped the entire space to become 2D plane

I agree it could have been further explained, although I think the feat is still valid.

 

[Fixxed]

The wiki uses the block universe philosophical vision for each fictional universe by default, so a low 2-C character is superior to a 3-A or high 3-A character because he doesn't simply destroy a finite or infinite amount of matter but an infinite amount of three-dimensional "snapshots" contained in the space-time continuum.

In this scene we see that Yan Sen is outside this 3+1 dimensional space-time and crushing it. To say that this feat is 3-A is to say that Yan Sen, in crushing the entire structure, has in fact destroyed only a tiny part of it. In some fictions, it's hard to know exactly what a character has destroyed or risks destroying when he's declared capable of destroying the universe, whereas in Yan Sen's case we know it's the entire 4D structure because he's doing it from
the outside.

Who told that the wiki use that philosophy for every universe by default? Where you get that? And where the standard say that?

 

[EndlessWords]

Who told that the wiki use that philosophy for every universe by default? Where you get that? And where the standard say that?

You know it doesn't matter, whether the space-time continuum is in the form of a block universe or something else (I don't know if there are other interpretations of the 4+1D space-time continuum but maybe there are), it doesn't really affect my argument. Yan Sen has overwritten the entire space-time continuum, not just a tiny part of it.
But to answer your questions, I've seen this on several threads that talked about tier 2 but I'd be unable to find them again, anyway it's not important.

 

[Fixxed]

You know it doesn't matter, whether the space-time continuum is in the form of a block universe or something else (I don't know if there are other interpretations of the 4+1D space-time continuum but maybe there are), it doesn't really affect my argument. Yan Sen has overwritten the entire space-time continuum, not just a tiny part of it.
But to answer your questions, I've seen this on several threads that talked about tier 2 but I'd be unable to find them again, anyway it's not important.

No no, where you get if wiki use that. You say the wiki use that by default then you must prove where the standard say about that. If you cant prove if wiki use that by default for the universe then what you say is irrelevant. Just prove

 

[Quintessence_PE]

This issue has really exhausted me, those who have information in tier 1, one of them is planck, and many other people have accepted our profile.
I mean, in many different ways we have explained to you all kinds of structures of the universe with different scenes, but the answers I got were all repetitions of each other, so I wanted to explain everything properly in one piece.

Body of Yan Sen​

Each of YanSen's blood platelets contains multiple universes, and each universe is a copy of the universe of the human world, which is said to be infinitely large with no boundaries. these bubbles may be called "Cosmic Stars", but as you can see in the panel zooming in on our solar system and the countless galaxies depicted on the bubbles, each of these "Cosmic Stars" bubbles is actually "our" universe, infinite in size with no boundaries as depicted in the CAHS.
This means that each blood platelet contains more than one low2c universe.



As you can see, each of these universes is completely separate from each other, that is, they are 4-dimensional structures in their own right.
It is also shown that Yan Sen can create space and time, and that the dimension he creates has its own time.

Making a 4-dimensional universe 2-dimensional​

Asked if time had an impact on this achievement

First, Yan Sen's god-powered student (gods are beings that can create a 4-dimensional universe) could not believe his achievement and asked the robot, "You did something similar, didn't you?". The robot replied, "No, we only did it in a small part of space, while your teacher crushed the entire universe (by crushing, he means that he made the universe 2-dimensional)." This robot also made it clear that it used its ability on a 4-dimensional level, so yes, Yan-Sen used it to transform a 4-dimensional universe into a 2-dimensional plane

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[Georredannea15]

This issue has really exhausted me, those who have information in tier 1, one of them is planck, and many other people have accepted our profile.
I mean, in many different ways we have explained to you all kinds of structures of the universe with different scenes, but the answers I got were all repetitions of each other, so I wanted to explain everything properly in one piece.

Body of Yan Sen​

Each of YanSen's blood platelets contains multiple universes, and each universe is a copy of the universe of the human world, which is said to be infinitely large with no boundaries. these bubbles may be called "Cosmic Stars", but as you can see in the panel zooming in on our solar system and the countless galaxies depicted on the bubbles, each of these "Cosmic Stars" bubbles is actually "our" universe, infinite in size with no boundaries as depicted in the CAHS.


As you can see, each of these universes is completely separate from each other, that is, they are 4-dimensional structures in their own right.
It is also shown that Yan Sen can create space and time, and that the dimension he creates has its own time.

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Making a 4-dimensional universe 2-dimensional​

There have been many comments on this achievement, but I wanted to summarize everything and make a single comment.
First of all, Yan Sen's god-powered student (gods are beings who can create a 4-dimensional universe) could not believe his feat and asked the robot, "You did something similar, didn't you?" The robot replied, "No, we only did it in a small part of space, while your teacher crushed the entire universe (by crushing, he means that he made the universe 2-dimensional)." This robot also stated that it could use its ability on a 4-dimensional level.

It was even Yan-Sen who taught them all these techniques, and Yan-Sen does them much better than robots. If even robots can manipulate 4D in a simple way, Yan-Sen will definitely do it, and the scans also refer to this.

 

[Fixxed]

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Bruh i dont know how hard you to show me a proof that the universe in the blood is not just a 3D space seperate each other. And the universe that yansen twisted is the 4D structure of universe not only it 3D structure

I send you a example from above, that the statement or balablabla mention about universe is not by default is 4D structure except it clearly mention or stated space and time continuum not just stated the word universe

 

[Georredannea15]

Bruh i dont know how hard you to show me a proof that the universe in the blood is not just a 3D space seperate each other. And the universe that yansen twisted is the 4D structure of universe not only it 3D structure

I will answer no more and this is the last answer I will give. The universes within Yan-Sen, like the mortal realm and the demon realm, are 4-dimensional space-times, and all of them are infinite. They are all copies of each other. This has already been illustrated in a supportive way.

 

[Fixxed]

I will answer no more and this is the last answer I will give. The universes within Yan-Sen, like the mortal realm and the demon realm, are 4-dimensional space-times, and all of them are infinite. They are all copies of each other. This has already been illustrated in a supportive way.

All universe by default is 4D structure, but when it comes to some event when the universe being affected like being twisted it can be just the 3D structure of universe, and when it stated to be seperate it also can be just the body of space or the 3D structure that being seperate. Not all mentioned the word universe is can be 4D by default it must be have further proof

 

[Georredannea15]

All universe by default is 4D structure, but when it comes to some event when the universe being affected like being twisted it can be just the 3D structure of universe, and when it stated to be seperate it also can be just the body of space or the 3D structure that being seperate. Not all mentioned the word universe is can be 4D by default it must be have further proof

I still won't answer this because even robots that bend a part of the universe make it clear that they bend 4-D. Yan-Sen bends the entire universe, and robots already refer to the universe that Yan-Sen bends as "four dimensional" just read the scans.

The author of this verse is already well aware of higher dimensions and spatial dimensions and distinguishes them in every statement of the verse. We see this all the time.

That was my final answer. As I said, let's leave this topic and wait for the staff's decision because we keep going round and round in circles.

 

[SweetDao]

Is there any way we can bring staff members btw? A bunch has already been pinged but besides one who validated the Low 1-C rating, no one else came.

 

[Dienomite22]

I think just by Yan Sen crushing space of a 4-D infinite universe that has no boundaries into a 2-D plane and viewing it as a plane from the outside he would have to have logically crushed the time of the universe along with it since you know basic relativity dictates the space-time are intrinsically tied to each other.

 

[Fixxed]

I still won't answer this because even robots that bend a part of the universe make it clear that they bend 4-D. Yan-Sen bends the entire universe, and robots already refer to the universe that Yan-Sen bends as "four dimensional" just read the scans.

The author of this verse is already well aware of higher dimensions and spatial dimensions and distinguishes them in every statement of the verse. We see this all the time.

That was my final answer. As I said, let's leave this topic and wait for the staff's decision because we keep going round and round in circles.

Bruh from above i say the mention about universe is not always the 4D structure of universe. And yeah the universe is 4D by default, but yansen just bend it 3D structure, my question from above is where he bends the 4D. I dont need you guys for prove the universe is 4D, i need proof he twisted or bends the universe with it 4D structure not only 3D

have logically crushed the time of the universe along with it since you know basic relativity dictates the space-time are intrinsically tied to each other.

Yeah this like say if you have space or spatial manipulation then you also have time manipulation because basic relativity say space and time is tied to each other

 

[Dienomite22]

Yeah this like say if you have space or spatial manipulation then you also have time manipulation because basic relativity say space and time is tied to each other

Kinda but no. When dealing with a feat like this, it applies. Especially because it's taking an entire 4-D universe and flattening it into a 2-D plane in a verse where we know Einsteins' relativity laws are roughly present as shown when Yan Sen removes Earth from its orbital path and narration talks about the changes that would happen to the solar system because of what Yan Sen did due to gravity.

 

[Georredannea15]

Bruh from above i say the mention about universe is not always the 4D structure of universe. And yeah the universe is 4D by default, but yansen just bend it 3D structure, my question from above is where he bends the 4D. I dont need you guys for prove the universe is 4D, i need proof he twisted or bends the universe with it 4D structure not only 3D

Then you can agreed to disagree. There's no point in arguing any further. The topic is getting longer and longer

 

[Fixxed]

Kinda but no. When dealing with a feat like this, it applies. Especially because it's taking an entire 4-D universe and flattening it into a 2-D plane in a verse where we know Einsteins' relativity laws are roughly present as shown when Yan Sen removes Earth from its orbital path and narration talks about the changes that would happen to the solar system because of what Yan Sen did due to gravity.

Dealing with something like this we must have a clear proof, we cannot just assume something, it is the einstein's theory or something else it not clear. Even if it literally mention that word we cannot just take the real explanation and then use that, example is like plato's theory and tao te ching that being rejected because use IRL explanation

 

[SweetDao]

Dealing with something like this we must have a clear proof, we cannot just assume something, it is the einstein's theory or something else it not clear. Even if it literally mention that word we cannot just take the real explanation and then use that, example is like plato's theory and tao te ching that being rejected because use IRL explanation

The thread you linked about Tao Te Ching is quite literally extrapolation based on things that aren't even clearly stated in the verse alongside numerous uses of the IRL counterpart to somehow get a tier.

Let's leave it at that. In any case, no side will budge until staff gets involved.

 

[Dienomite22]

Dealing with something like this we must have a clear proof, we cannot just assume something, it is the einstein's theory or something else it not clear. Even if it literally mention that word we cannot just take the real explanation and then use that, example is like plato's theory and tao te ching that being rejected because use IRL explanation

Pretty disingenuous to mention plato’s theory and chinese philosophy being rejected as an example for real life explanations when Einstein’s theory of relativity is widely accepted by practically all and proven to be true to an incredible degree. You don’t need an IRL explanation for everything. To me, what you’re basically saying is something like “we can’t assume x fictional verse has gravity because the verse doesn’t have a narrator that says gravity exist”. Obviously that isn’t your argument as it is an example but i hope you get my point.

 

[Fixxed]

Pretty disingenuous to mention plato’s theory and chinese philosophy being rejected as an example for real life explanations when Einstein’s theory of relativity is widely accepted by practically all and proven to be true to an incredible degree. You don’t need an IRL explanation for everything. To me, what you’re basically saying is something like “we can’t assume x fictional verse has gravity because the verse doesn’t have a narrator that says gravity exist”. Obviously that isn’t your argument as it is an example but i hope you get my point.

No, i mean everything is based on what the verse show, we cannot just assume if the verse have this or like this when the verse not show clearly about that. Well gravity is common sense that exist in every verse but einstein's theory about space and time that tied to each other not, we must have clear proof in verse about that

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I just wanna correct this claim that each platelet contains a multiverse as false as it only shown cosmic stars etc.

That in anyway doesn't prove it as a multiverse. You could argue a universe but saying each platelet has a multiverse is outright misleading even with your scan

 

[SweetDao]

I just wanna correct this claim that each platelet contains a multiverse as false as it only shown cosmic stars etc.

That in anyway doesn't prove it as a multiverse. You could argue a universe but saying each platelet has a multiverse is outright misleading even with your scan

The thing is, the universes are deeper in the body than the blood platelet, so effectively, they are way smaller than them. I don't know about each of them containing a multiverse, but each bubble is a universe on its own.

 

[Quintessence_PE]

I just wanna correct this claim that each platelet contains a multiverse as false as it only shown cosmic stars etc.

That in anyway doesn't prove it as a multiverse. You could argue a universe but saying each platelet has a multiverse is outright misleading even with your scan

Even deeper into the blood platelets at least 9 universes have been shown so it's not wrong to treat it as such but even if we don't use it as such it will still be low1c.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

there's literally a planet among those
are you saying this planet is somehow the size of a universe to be shown alongside "Universes" without any statements or claims?

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Oh, I understand now, but it showed a lot of galaxies, so it doesn't make sense to get hung up on these things, it's just a detailed drawing

 

[Quintessence_PE]

The detail you need to pay attention to here is that each of them is drawn in a way that supports the fact that they are copies of the human universe, and the fact that they put the earth there when there are already so many galaxies clearly supports the fact that it is a copy of the human universe.

 

[Akashachann]

there's literally a planet among those
are you saying this planet is somehow the size of a universe to be shown alongside "Universes" without any statements or claims?

The fact that there are planets inside the bubbles won't change anything. In the same way, all bubbles contain galaxies and stars. And for some reason I feel like the main point of that scene is being ignored.

The God of Consciousness says to Yan Sen, "You cannot destroy me, all conscious beings are in the universe inside me, including your students." And after that we see the universes inside Yan Sen and the scene focuses on one of those bubbles. And after the scene becomes more focused, we see the students saying, "We're still alive," and the God of Consciousness says, "That doesn't make any sense," and then he disappears. So that universe that everyone is in is also one of the universes inside Yan Sen's blood platelets. This is also evident in the scenes that focus on the inside of the bubbles beforehand.

The surface of the planet inside the bubble:

The surface of the planet where everyone is:

So you can count me as disagreeing even if it doesn't matter much.

 

[Fixxed]

there's literally a planet among those
are you saying this planet is somehow the size of a universe to be shown alongside "Universes" without any statements or claims?

Well image is not a problem at all. The problem is if each universe in that is have different time and space or not, if they have different timeline then it multiverse, if not then not it will just a different body of space

 

[Antvasima]

What currently needs to be evaluated here, and what are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Georredannea15]

What currently needs to be evaluated here, and what are the conclusions here so far?

Planck and Pein did not see any problems with the current profile, they still agree with 1-B and Low 1-C. (No one has raised any obvious objections except Fixxed and the person who opened the OP, and the voting majority disagrees with this downgrade)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the summary.

@Qawsedf234 @Elizhaa

WOuld you also be willing to take a look here please?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

This would indeed qualify him as 4D and being able to make it appear like 2 dimensional is indeed for me sufficient for low 1-C rating. although whats weird about this is that it is called 4th dimensional world. which kinda doesn't make sense if we are to rate it as low 1-C it might be a contradiction but atm im leaning more to the 2nd interpretation as for the reason i listed above regarding blood platelets etc.

The explanation page given seems to disagree, given that it claims that realm is "outside of the fourth dimension" instead. Granted, it provides no scans for the claim. If what you say is true, and it is indeed explicitly called a 4-D space, then I think it's not at all logical to assume that what is being transcended is a spacetime continuum, no. The Gods would be just Low 2-C, for that, and for containing infinitely-sized universes inside of their blood cells.

For the matter the profile linked doesn't seem to show evidence that the whole temporal extension of the universes is also contained in the blood pellets of a God, either, so, that's pretty bad as well.

The 12-dimensional stuff is also really vague. If we are given absolutely no information about this 12-D space then I wouldn't give it any tier. At most a "possibly far higher" or "possibly 1-B" if I was to be generous, off of the fact that the verse has depicted higher-dimensional realms and beings as transcendent elsewhere.

 

[Akagami_Shanks1]

 

[Larssx]

The 12-dimensional stuff is also really vague. If we are given absolutely no information about this 12-D space then I wouldn't give it any tier. At most a "possibly far higher" or "possibly 1-B" if I was to be generous, off of the fact that the verse has depicted higher-dimensional realms and beings as transcendent elsewhere.

We think it's the size of a universe because it's called the Golden Universe.

We see space inside the universe, and this space contains stars.

It's a universe and it's said to be 12-dimensional.

I think you just think of a 12-dimensional place, but no, it's a universe and we see the space inside it.

 

[Antvasima]

The explanation page given seems to disagree, given that it claims that realm is "outside of the fourth dimension" instead. Granted, it provides no scans for the claim. If what you say is true, and it is indeed explicitly called a 4-D space, then I think it's not at all logical to assume that what is being transcended is a spacetime continuum, no. The Gods would be just Low 2-C, for that, and for containing infinitely-sized universes inside of their blood cells.

For the matter the profile linked doesn't seem to show evidence that the whole temporal extension of the universes is also contained in the blood pellets of a God, either, so, that's pretty bad as well.

The 12-dimensional stuff is also really vague. If we are given absolutely no information about this 12-D space then I wouldn't give it any tier. At most a "possibly far higher" or "possibly 1-B" if I was to be generous, off of the fact that the verse has depicted higher-dimensional realms and beings as transcendent elsewhere.

Tbank you for helping out, Ultima.

 

[Georredannea15]

The explanation page given seems to disagree, given that it claims that realm is "outside of the fourth dimension" instead. Granted, it provides no scans for the claim. If what you say is true, and it is indeed explicitly called a 4-D space, then I think it's not at all logical to assume that what is being transcended is a spacetime continuum, no. The Gods would be just Low 2-C, for that, and for containing infinitely-sized universes inside of their blood cells.

For the matter the profile linked doesn't seem to show evidence that the whole temporal extension of the universes is also contained in the blood pellets of a God, either, so, that's pretty bad as well.

The 12-dimensional stuff is also really vague. If we are given absolutely no information about this 12-D space then I wouldn't give it any tier. At most a "possibly far higher" or "possibly 1-B" if I was to be generous, off of the fact that the verse has depicted higher-dimensional realms and beings as transcendent elsewhere.

First of all, I would like to point out that the universes contained only in the blood plateted of Yan-Sen are exact copies of the human universe, which is already known to be infinite and has a time of its own, which is also pictured to us as a support. Even smaller than blood cells, they contain multiple universes, and the blood cell is like a larger space that contains them.

The 4-dimensional space-time continuum is represented in Yan-Sen's blood cells like a "sphere". Like the human universe.





2- This is only a support for Low 1-C, apart from that Yan-Sen sees the 4-dimensional universe as an entirely 2-dimensional plane.

He can bend the 4-dimensional plane just like robots do, and robots say that Yan-Sen does this technique to the whole universe.

In short, Low 1-C has 2 supports.





And this is proof that there is timeline in the human world.

3-As for 12-dimensional space, firstly I would like to point out that the author of this series has always referred to the space-time (universes) as "higher dimension" and to pocket spaces as "dimensions".

When he comes to Henry's space, he called it "12-dimensional space" and we can see this clearly.

In short, the author knows the difference between universal dimensions, pocket dimensions, higher dimensions and spatial dimensions.

https://imgur.com/a/iXcPyPR

Additional information, no god can access or interfere with Henry's 12-dimensional space. After Aphrodite was imprisoned in this space, no god could access this space and rescue her.