Xenoverse and Heroes possible separation

[Everything12]

I also agree, from the knowledge I have of DBH and Xenoverse the series might share iterations of character between them and both deal with villains messing with characters and plots from throughout DragonBall, Z, GT, and Super. They themselves have no connections besides have different versions of the same characters.

 

[Braking]

DBH Switch game I forgot the name

you mean world mission?

 

[StrymULTRA]

you mean world mission?

Yup

 

[Everything12]

Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission, should probably get around to playing that again.

 

[Vietthai96]

The problem is that, despite the note, the cross scaling between Heroes and Xenoverse is still applied.

Heroes is 2-A because of Xenoverse, otherwise it would be 2-B, but there is nothing that indicates that the scaling should be applied in the first place.

Heroes is 2-A not because of Xenoverse, but Budokai Tenkaichi statement of infinite world.

To be honest, Xenoverse and Heroes share the same cosmology but different storyline

 

[Dominodalek]

Heroes is 2-A not because of Xenoverse, but Budokai Tenkaichi statement of infinite world.

To be honest, Xenoverse and Heroes share the same cosmology but different storyline

Budokai Tenkaichi is even less valid to Heroes than Xenoverse is.

 

[Braking]

To be honest, Xenoverse and Heroes share the same cosmology but different storyline

thats what i was discussing that with my friends

 

[Bernkastelll]

Wait, is budokai tenkaichi related with Heroes?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

thats what i was discussing that with my friends

Tbf I agree with this too. I would say "2-B, possibly 2-A" would work, but we'll see

 

[Dominodalek]

Wait, is budokai tenkaichi related with Heroes?

No, there is absolutely no connection, not in any way whatsoever.

 

[Braking]

Wait, is budokai tenkaichi related with Heroes?

i dont think so.but i think Xenoverse Cosmology is also Heroes Cosmology but with different stories like veit said

 

[Braking]

but if thats the case we should separate xenoverse and heroes to make it more clear. but i would have a question about chronoa.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

but if thats the case we should separate xenoverse and heroes to make it more clear. but i would have a question about chronoa.

What's the question?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Heroes' universe is actually inspired heavily by the canon.

 

[Braking]

What's the question?

nevermind

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Heroes' universe is actually inspired heavily by the canon.

Doesn't change the fact that both Xenoverse and Heroes take elements from each other and are inspired from each other. One doesn't exclude the other

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Heroes borrowing elements from Xenoverse does not mean that the two share the same cosmology.

 

[Braking]

Heroes borrowing elements from Xenoverse does not mean that the two share the same cosmology.

id say then it would be a possibly 2-A

 

[Braking]

anyways.
do we all agree to separate xenoverse and heroes?

 

[StrymULTRA]

anyways.
do we all agree to separate xenoverse and heroes?

Not only that. Also separating Heroes in 3 continuities

 

[Braking]

also do we have to make new profiles for xenoverse?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

As in new characters, or...? There aren't really a whole lot of characters that deserve pages who don't have them. The only ones I can think of are Xenoverse's Goku, and Xenoverse 2's Dabura.

 

[Everything12]

Just because Xenoverse and Heroes cosmologies share similarities does not mean we can scale them to each, you would still need evidence for Heroes to attribute it things that Xenoverse has.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if @Nullflowerblush, @Dominodalek, and others here can figure out a way to properly separate the pages and continuities in a logical manner, I suppose that we can use that solution instead then.

 

[Dominodalek]

also do we have to make new profiles for xenoverse?

That won't be necessary, we can expand on our current system of separating the continuities with tabbers.

 

[Ss3micah]

Well, if @Nullflowerblush, @Dominodalek, and others here can figure out a way to properly separate the pages and continuities in a logical manner, I suppose that we can use that solution instead then.

I talked it over with Domino and others and we have all decided to separate the xenoverse stuff from the heroes via different keys
The keys alone are enough to provide clear distinction between xenoverse characters and their powers and abilities from heroes characters and many MANY character pages on site are a example of this

Creating NEW Profiles would only be more work and in the end only achieve the same effect

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Well since we are going this route, Past Demigra's feat of absorbing Toki Toki would become extremely relevant since it affects the scaling chain

 

[Antvasima]

I talked it over with Domino and others and we have all decided to separate the xenoverse stuff from the heroes via different keys
The keys alone are enough to provide clear distinction between xenoverse characters and their powers and abilities from heroes characters and many MANY character pages on site are a example of this

Creating NEW Profiles would only be more work and in the end only achieve the same effect

Okay. That seems fine to me.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Well since we are going this route, Past Demigra's feat of absorbing Toki Toki would become extremely relevant since it affects the scaling chain

That happened?

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

That happened?

Yeah in God Mission 7

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'm pretty sure Demigra was using Tokitoki to mess around with space-time. Chronoa battled him and sealed him away even before becoming the Supreme Kai of God.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I'm pretty sure Demigra was using Tokitoki to mess around with space-time. Chronoa battled him and sealed him away even before becoming the Supreme Kai of God.

Demigra's future self came to his past self who was using Toki Toki in his experiments in GM7 and told him to take Toki Toki's power for himself which he did

 

[Orange]

Since demigar absorbing toki toki would most likely be the sacking block for all of 2-B stuff
shouldn't we create a page for tokitoki? [HE is pretty relevant and have some decent 2-B feats and statements]

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

shouldn't we create a page for tokitoki? [HE is pretty relevant and have some decent 2-B feats and statements]

This'd be a good idea yes

 

[Orange]

Tho I wonder if we should give him seperate keys or make him composite

 

[Rez]

From dragon ball heroes blog page why Budokai Tenkachi 3's 2-A statment is applicable to heros:
It is rather common knowledge that Dragon Ball Heroes is a love letter/crossover to all Dragon Ball Z games. It merges several DB games' universes together and fits them as timelines within the Heroes 'multiverse'. And Budokai Tenkaichi 3 is no different; not only is it also a Bamdai Nanco game just like the rest, the sister Budokai series is pretty blatantly stated and shown to be a part of the Heroes multiverse, with Shin Budokai's plot and Janemba showing up.

 

[Orange]

The only games that you may have luck proving that they are somehow canon to dbh are: Fighterz, online, and maybe dokkan/legends-
With a huge big iff

 

[Rez]

Another statment from previous 2-A heroes crt
In DB fusions when fighting ultra Pinich, there is an infinite number of friezas and cells that can re spawn from endless timelines no matter how many you kill. It states they come from time space holes which each link to alternate timelines. We have actually seen Cell use these before as well. Same with Goku black and Zamasu when fighting against fusion Zamasu. This would imply infinite versions and infinite timelines due to there being literally an endless amount of them.

 

[Rez]

The only games that you may have luck proving that they are somehow canon to dbh are: Fighterz, online, and maybe dokkan/legends-
With a huge big iff

Shin budokai statement already does that and I don't like using dokkan for anything but heroes and xenoverse characters exists in it so it can be used

 

[Rez]

Another statment from previous 2-A heroes crt
In DB fusions when fighting ultra Pinich, there is an infinite number of friezas and cells that can re spawn from endless timelines no matter how many you kill. It states they come from time space holes which each link to alternate timelines. We have actually seen Cell use these before as well. Same with Goku black and Zamasu when fighting against fusion Zamasu. This would imply infinite versions and infinite timelines due to there being literally an endless amount of them.

Also from the same crt as to why fusion is canon to heroes