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Making fallacy arguments is not enough to get somebody banned, unless it is done in a very trolling manner.
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Antvasima, you are right, what I believe were Ad Hominem attacks were actually insults and are against the Site Rules.

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Wokistan said:
Yeah and I'm saying this sort of 11D Erasure would kill a lot of high godlies, but regenning from it is just really strong mid. To get high, they'd need to survive the Erasure of the entire 11D structure, not just themselves.
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I'm confused by this, if this kills off High-Godly regen, and they can regen from it, then should it not be High-Godly regen then?

Also, I have found something for High-Godly, I'm just currently making sure it is what I think it is.
 
What I saying is that being erased on an 11D scale is beyond the capabilities of all the high godly people I know of to come back from. However, an 11D high godly is gonna a be fine.
 
But then, if it's beyond the capabilities of High-Godly regen (To the ones you know) wouldn't it then just be High tier High-Godly regen?

I mean logically, High-Godly > Mid-Godly
 
I am sorry, but why are we assuming that transcending realms upon realms will granted 11D?

I thought we already establishing that stacking them doesn't necessarily applied to granting them a higher dimensional jump especially since transcend them in this case sound like them being stack over like how one dimension is on top of another and ect,.

Also again that doesn't mention anything about it being 11D, IT must explicitly mentioned it is 11D than going by dimensions transcending dimensions as this sound like something of them stacking upon one another.

Also I don't see any cases of Mid Godly or Highly God regen here.


At the very least it will be possible Nonexistence Physiology if it stated as such.
 
>I am sorry, but why are we assuming that transcending realms upon realms will granted 11D?

Since literally always.

>I thought we already establishing that stacking them doesn't necessarily applied to granting them a higher dimensional jump especially since transcend them in this case sound like them being stack over like how one dimension is on top of another and ect,.

No, that's not transcendence, you're mistaking transcendence with Infinities.

>Also again that doesn't mention anything about it being 11D, IT must explicitly mentioned it is 11D than going by dimensions transcending dimensions as this sound like something of them stacking upon one another.

No, it doesn't, otherwise many verses would be downgraded based on this logic. And the basis of this is going off the assumption that transcendence doesn't equal dimensional leap, when it does, and you're confusing transcendence with an infinite multiplier.

>Also I don't see any cases of Mid Godly or Highly God regen here.

Yes, there is, coming back from a Void that is stated to erased, which is outside Time and Space, beyond "that place beyond places and that timeless time", that's bare minimum Mid-Godly, then there's the surviving the infinite layers destruction and the destruction of Paradise.

>At the very least it will be possible Nonexistence Physiology if it stated as such.

What? No? They all exist, none of them have nonexistent physiology.
 
See this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2309992 here


Yeah about that, I don't agree with that at all.

In my last reply, I agree with 6D, possibly higher regarding it can be a 6D finite multiverse. Wasn't too sure about the 8D, but I let the staff members handle that one.

I don't see any mentions of it being a level of dimensional transcendence over one another.


All I see is an interpretation coming from you.

No mentions of it being 11D from a statement that say this "Indeed mages who pass beyond the boundaries of a higher or lower plane, transcending or descending from existence as most mages know it"

This isn't referring to higher dimensional beings, but mainly mages.

And, yes, I disagree with Ultima regarding that one.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
If the mages are not already being who are completely and utterly transcendent over all reality from the get-go, and are not bound by any of its concepts/do not "participate" in them, this is kinda bad evidence for true Platonic forms.
Also, this quote is kinda in the OP.

"Within the Epiphamies, you might find a Fortress of Government that represents the symbolic might and futility of that concept; a River of Language that flows with the sounds of every dialect ever spoken on Earth; a titanic chiming clock with a thousand hands, each one marking some measure of Time; the realm of Platonic ideals, which exists perhaps only because Plato imagined that it might."
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To be honest, they very well maybe, as they can achieve the state of being the Storyteller prior to even being Archmages or transcending.
 
>See this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2309992 here

"infinitely above"

Dude, this isn't even hard, read your own thread, it's for infinitely above, it doesn't even talk about transcendant beings:

https://imgur.com/pdHYNg5

>In my last reply, I agree with 6D, possibly higher regarding it can be a 6D finite multiverse. Wasn't too sure about the 8D, but I let the staff members handle that one.

Already been accepted.

>I don't see any mentions of it being a level of dimensional transcendence over one another.

They are stated to be transcendant over themselves, I've said it multiple times, I am tired of repeating myself, if you want me to explain, read what I have put before, I've gotten people to agree with the 11-D scaling.

>No mentions of it being 11D from a statement that say this "Indeed mages who pass beyond the boundaries of a higher or lower plane, transcending or descending from existence as most mages know it"

What are you on about? No one has said there was an 11-D statement, we've talked about the String theory and Superstring theory parts, but no one has said there's an 11-D statements, and if you read the quote you just copied out, you'll see it even states, that they are transcending or decending, there's little left to the imagination.

This is also the Equivocation fallacy, it doesn't need to say "Dimensional transcendence" as transcendence already means that we need it too. If you want to say it isn't transcendence, then that's for you to prove, not for me to keep re-affirming.

>This isn't referring to higher dimensional beings, but mainly mages

And? The Mage's travel through Universes, can interact with the dimensions (as in Spatial-Temporal) and become the Storyteller, the literal GM, the being who sees the rest of the verse as fiction.

It focusing on the Mage's only adds to the reasoning, because the Mage's are already on that level.
 
Again you should take that up with Aza in that regard.

Also if there is definite proof they do grant a dimensional transcendence over another, then show these statements as I ain't a staff member.


Also I provide if we reevaluate this a bit as we using a fanmade chart as I seeing right now.
 
>Again you should take that up with Aza in that regard.

Nothing said about it, we've already gone over the evidence and concluded it's 11-D.

>Also if there is definite proof they do grant a dimensional transcendence over another, then show these statements as I ain't a staff member.

You're shifting the burden of proof, cite yourself that transcendence doesn't mean exactly what the definition is.

>Also I provide if we reevaluate this a bit as we using a fanmade chart as I seeing right now.

What on earth are you on about? I made a chart for visual aid, my lord, do you want me to just throw the 100 pages based on the cosmology or would you prefer me to just compress it into a visual aid.

We aren't basing anything on the visual aid, the visual aid is just that.

Did you bother to read the blog. The whole reason why I made the visual aid is because there's a lot to go over. Just like how the Umineko pages have visual aids, do we need to suddenly revise them because "ooooooo visuallll aaaiiiiiidddd"
 
Using that blog as an example isn't necessarily a good choice per say given how there was a revision regarding Uminkeo.


So? How about you stop giving your interpretation and give us quotes for that matter? Also it seems you really got into your head regarding transcendence given how there are numerous way it can be intrepreted. So whatever it is is up to the staff for that matter


Regardless I see a few problems that need to be addressed here.
 
>Using that blog as an example isn't necessarily a good choice per say given how there was a revision regarding Uminkeo.

Yeah and guess what? It had nothing to do with visual aids.

>So? How about you stop giving your interpretation and give us quotes for that matter?

What do you mean?! We've been debating on Quotes I GAVE.

>Also it seems you really got into your head regarding transcendence given how there are numerous way it can be intrepreted.

Equivocation fallacy. You've shown nothing to prove that transcendence is anything else, hows about YOU prove that transcendence in anyway doesn't mean it's very definition?

>So whatever it is is up to the staff for that matter

Argument from Authority, just because they're staff doesn't equate to greater knowledge on the verse.

>Regardless I see a few problems that need to be addressed here.

I've already addressed them, and considering you've even dropped them in this post, I think I can firmly say, you cannot formulate a response.
 
If you gonna be stubborn about this, then so be it.


Your argument also relied on fallacies as I see from the above comments prior to me commenting here.


Not only that, you being overargumative here as it has been.


Not to mention more than twice you didn't give any statements or quotes regarding dimensional transcedence.


So? Any pages that involved Tier 2s or higher are admin locked unless shown otherwise.

Not only did you states your own opinion about the cosmology, it also have to be a valid point on whatever or not the higher dimensional beings stated to be capable of going beyond their respective dimenional level.


Still nonetheless I will observe this given your stubborn beliefs in this entire thread as well as some possible headcanon if it involves that as well.
 
>If you gonna be stubborn about this, then so be it.

"thonking"

>Your argument also relied on fallacies as I see from the above comments prior to me commenting here.

Fallacy fallacy, none of my points have been proven wrong, and you still haven't addressed anything, this is just a Red Herring.

>Not only that, you being overargumative here as it has been.

Red herring, this literally means nothing.

>Not to mention more than twice you didn't give any statements or quotes regarding dimensional transcedence.

Stop ignoring what i've been saying, you're commiting a fallacy, it is for you to prove it doesn't not mean it's very definition, not me, I am not to prove a negative.

>So? Any pages that involved Tier 2s or higher are admin locked unless shown otherwise.

What are you on about?

>Not only did you states your own opinion about the cosmology, it also have to be a valid point on whatever or not the higher dimensional beings stated to be capable of going beyond their respective dimenional level.

"Facedesk"
I literally asked you if you want the 100 pages where the cosmology is literally stated. Once again, you've ignored it, I'm not even bringing up my opinion, because if I did, I'd likely be banned.

And once again, I am not to prove a negative, you are, for the last time, prove that transendence doesn't mean it's literal definition.

>Still nonetheless I will observe this given your stubborn beliefs in this entire thread as well as some possible headcanon if it involves that as well.

It's objectively not beliefs, I've already gotten everything I've said proven and accepted, and even now, you've not been able to disprove "my beliefs".

And stop making strawmans, I've not even mentioned anything to do with headcannon.

Prove that I've been using headcannon.
 
I wouldn't say he would need to prove you are using head canon Udl, but instead attempt to prove that the way you interpret the cosmology is incorrect.

Also hasn't the 1-C, possibly High 1-C already been mod accepted?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I wouldn't say he would need to prove you are using head canon Udl, but instead attempt to prove that the way you interpret the cosmology is incorrect.
Also hasn't the 1-C, possibly High 1-C already been mod accepted?
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To be fair, it's not for me to prove I'm not using headcannon, it's for them to prove I am using headcannon, for example, it would be like me saying: "Prove you're not working with Veloxt".

As for 1-C, possibly High 1-C, yeah, it's been accepted across the board, just not the "possibly far higher" should be removed.
 
I know. I was just saying that his goal wouldn't be to prove that you're using head canon, but getting fhe scaling wrong.

As for now I'd say nerf the regen and drop the possibly far higher rating until you get more concrete stuff. This thread only has about 200 comments left anyways.
 
I will unlock the profile. Tell me here when you are done.
 
Okay. Do other profiles need to be updated as well?
 
For those who are interested, here's an incompleted list that contains citations for all the abilities in WoD:
 
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Clairvoyance (Mages are capable of enhancing their senses to see spirits and invisible things, as well as see in higher dimensions. Mages can sense danger as it happens. Master Clairvoyants are capable of using any of their five senses on anything in the world.), Weapon Mastery (Mages can master military weaponry.), Hacking (Mages can master the art of setting up security and undoing it through hacking.), Fate Manipulation (With Fate Magic), Time Manipulation (With Time Magic), Spatial Manipulation (With Space Magic), Plot Manipulation (Any supernatural being in the verse is capable of interacting with the hyper-narrative. Mages can manipulate the Natures of them and others, which are archetypes connected to the characters. Mages can manipulate Jungian archetypes. Marauder Mages can become the Storyteller.), Time Travel (Time Mages can travel forward or backward through time.), Ice Manipulation, Sand Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Air Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Elemental Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Radiation Manipulation, (Forces Mages can manipulate, direct, transmute, enhance, or banish the effects of the fundamental energetic patterns of Creation for the kinetic elements, fire, air, momentum, gravity, radiation, light, sound, radio waves, and particle-wave duality.), Matter Manipulation (With Matter Magic), Antimatter Manipulation (Mages can create and manipulate antimatter, as well as fight with anti-Etheric particles in the form of a death ray.), Willpower Manipulation (Marauder Mages can absorb willpower from others.), Vibration Manipulation (Can cause Dimensional Vibrations and Quantum Vibrations), Quantum Manipulation (Created the Platonic Concept of Quantum Theory), Probability Manipulation (With Entropy Magic), Magic, Power Nullification (Stated to Passively Negate Supernatural effect based on if they choose to believe something or not, as well as able to alter concepts, magic itself, people's existence, the laws of physics andreality itself, able to penetrate all layers of existence which is stated to have at least 8 dimensions, able to remove templates from beings, this includes the idea of ghosts being incorporeal or the Vampire's need for Blood), Transmutation, Reality Warping, Void Manipulation, Regenerationn (Mid-Godly, survived the destruction of Paradise), Shapeshifting, Precognition, Invisibility, Mind Manipulation (With Mind Magic), Teleportation (Quantum Teleportation), Attack Reflection, Dimensional Travel, Weather Manipulation (Able to Manipulate the Weather), Non-Physical Interaction (Constantly shown to interact with Metaphysical items and Platonic concepts), Absorption, Acausality (Type 1, 4 [Exists completely outside of Time]), Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, 5), Causality Manipulation, Curse Manipulation (Able to curse beings), Dream Manipulation (Able to manipulate the Maya Dream Realm), Earth Manipulation, True Flight, Plasma Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Petrification (HyperPetrification), Empathic Manipulation, Empowerment, Darkness Manipulation, Density Manipulation (Able to manipulate Density), Vector Manipulation (Able to Manipulate Vectors), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Creation, Death Manipulation (With Death Magic), Poison Manipulation, Text Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Data Manipulation (Able to manipulate the Data and Information of Reality), Acid Manipulation, Morality Manipulation (Able to Manipulate the Morality of beings), Age Manipulation (With Time Magic), Energy Projection, Life Manipulation (With Life Magic), Possession (With Death Magic), Plant Manipulation (Able to cause Plants to grow), Holy Manipulation (Able to draw Power from God), Technological Manipulation (Can create Platonic concepts of Machines), Ectoplasm Manipulation (With Spirit Magic), Animal Manipulation (Able to control entire species), Magma Manipulation, Fusionism, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (Able to mutilate Dimensional Axis, able to convert 3-D beings into 2-D beings, able to creatre Landscapes that defy Dimensional physics), Illusion Creation, Sleep Manipulation, Portal Creation, Power Bestowal, Reactive Evolution (Able to passively manipulate fate to adapt to any situatio), Astral Projection, Statistics Amplification, Statistics Reduction, Status Effect Inducement, Stealth Mastery, Vehicular Mastery, Non-Corporeal, Perception Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Resurrection, Necromancy, One Hit Kill, Madness Manipulation (Turns those around them insane), Memory Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Healing, Summoning, BFR, Sealing (Can turn beings into 2-D beings), Biological Manipulation (With Life Magic), Regenerationn and Immortality Negation (Mid-Godly and Types 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6), Resistances to Time Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Void Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Power Nullification (Stated to Passively Negate Supernatural effect based on if they choose to believe something or not), Curse Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Morality Manipulation, Sealing, Blood Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Probability Manipulation and many more | All previous abilities increased to a immense amount Higher Dimensional Manipulation, Nigh-Omniscience, Forcefield Creation, Immortality (Types 4, 5, 7, and 8), Disease Manipulation (Able to create Viruses and Diseases), Mathematics Manipulation, Law Manipulation (Stated to be able to create and change the Laws of Reality), Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation, Absorption, all previously stated abilities.
 
To be honest, the CRT should be closed since the OP's discussion is resolved.
 
Well, I do have things for Transduality God.

Demons are stated to literally eat a Duality.

And there is the fact that the concept of Duality is transcended by God due to the fact that all concepts exist in (at least) the Vulgate, and if not that, then the Epiphanies, which would then mean all other beings are Transdual.

I believe there maybe statements that make God transdual.
 
Do you want the all concepts existing in the vulgate part as well, or just the Demons eating a duality?
 
Well, Duality would be a Platonic concept, and there is a MASSIVE amount of these concepts being Platonic in nature.
 
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